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Liquidity Has Dried Up
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:21 am
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:28 am to Hussss
For the uninitiated this is Jeff Gundlach’s CIO
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:12 pm to Hussss
Sherman says it is nothing like 2020 lock up and 8 minutes later says current liquidity is OK, I quit watching at 31:00, it's not like credit markets are locked up. What I do know is all that PDO I bought between $13.90 and $14.10 at significant discounts to NAV is paying off and PIMCO is buying distressed credits all over the globe.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:00 pm to Hussss
Presumably the Fed is going to start accelerating itsdumping of MBS’s from its balance sheet, which won’t help interest rates. Liquidity is king of the market, much more than anything regarding recession/economy..
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:55 am to go ta hell ole miss
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Presumably the Fed is going to start accelerating itsdumping of MBS’s from its balance sheet
Yep. The rate at which the Fed was buying up MBSs and Treasury notes for the last decade-ish is what a lot of our economy has been floating on.
MBSs make up ~1/3 of what the Fed holds, the other ~2/3 are Treasuries. I don't think they'll get into mass shedding, but just stopping their buying is going to push rates up (which have been moving up fairly steadily since the end of July). Any Fed sales will only add to this.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:07 pm to Bard
How much money is waiting on the sidelines?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:38 pm to Diseasefreeforall
How much is waiting on the sidelines?
At least my $2500/month. I just keep depositing it and not really sticking it anywhere just yet. I might miss a run or 2 in the interim, but I think the worst is yet to come.
At least my $2500/month. I just keep depositing it and not really sticking it anywhere just yet. I might miss a run or 2 in the interim, but I think the worst is yet to come.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:26 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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How much money is waiting on the sidelines?
That's like asking when the bottom will be.
I would guess there's a lot just waiting (I know I've been stockpiling), but with the market activity we've been seeing there's really no telling.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:12 pm to Bard
glad my strategy of dripping $150 every 2 weeks into a S&P500 index fund (over 50 years) wont be affected by any of this
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:39 pm to lsuoilengr
I'm still DCA my 401K Roth for my 27K (catch up) / yr.
I have other monies I am holding out, as I think I will get a better return on those monies.
I have other monies I am holding out, as I think I will get a better return on those monies.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:31 am to Bard
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Yep. The rate at which the Fed was buying up MBSs and Treasury notes for the last decade-ish is what a lot of our economy has been floating on.
Where have we seen this before....
Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:34 am to Hussss
Husss I’m sure you see the chart. We’re going down
Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:06 am to Upperdecker
The liquidity the venture firms were using to acquire businesses has completely dried up.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:26 am to MrLSU
High yield credit is drying up but there are mixed signals because credit spreads are closing. Once we get a few more quarters of these earnings haircuts that virus will spread into investment grade debt. This happened in Q1 2020 prior to the world cosplaying WWZ. The way bond funds are strucutred now those fallen angels get systematically sold and it freezes up all corporate credit.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:34 am to wutangfinancial
So what is the consequences of that? In kindergarten speak please.

Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:46 am to GREENHEAD22
It's hard to say right now because the Federal Reserve is acting like a bunch of toddlers. Without any market intervention you would see an inability for corporations to refinance at rates low enough to keep them cash flow positive while their earnings and cash flow are contracting so they would be rolling debt at higher rates with deteriorating profitablity. Basically a cycle of insolvency. But this is America where only mom and pop shops are allowed to go under 
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:59 am to wutangfinancial
I had four M&A deals dry up over the last 30 days (2 last week) where due diligence had been going on since Nov 2021. All four of the private equity purchaser companies could not get financing as it was pulled. One said Oct 23rd they could try again but others were told to retry in Jan.
The sellers on these transactions are livid to say the least as each side on avg has spent in excess of 200k in due diligence prepping for the buyout.
The sellers on these transactions are livid to say the least as each side on avg has spent in excess of 200k in due diligence prepping for the buyout.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:30 pm to MrLSU
I have a friend in middle market M&A and he is saying the same thing
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:21 pm to wutangfinancial
The Fed is starting to take a bath on their bond portfolio
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:28 pm to Hussss
Fed finally hit the QT button at the bear market rally top. Plus the assassination in Russia is likely to stir that war up hard. And China is showing signs of economic collapss
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