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Liquidity Has Dried Up

Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:21 am
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:21 am
Jeff Sherman of DoubleLine @ 23:00 explaining

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Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11869 posts
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:28 am to
For the uninitiated this is Jeff Gundlach’s CIO
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10727 posts
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:12 pm to
Sherman says it is nothing like 2020 lock up and 8 minutes later says current liquidity is OK, I quit watching at 31:00, it's not like credit markets are locked up. What I do know is all that PDO I bought between $13.90 and $14.10 at significant discounts to NAV is paying off and PIMCO is buying distressed credits all over the globe.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14572 posts
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:00 pm to
Presumably the Fed is going to start accelerating itsdumping of MBS’s from its balance sheet, which won’t help interest rates. Liquidity is king of the market, much more than anything regarding recession/economy..
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 10:19 pm
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
57986 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:55 am to
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Presumably the Fed is going to start accelerating itsdumping of MBS’s from its balance sheet


Yep. The rate at which the Fed was buying up MBSs and Treasury notes for the last decade-ish is what a lot of our economy has been floating on.

MBSs make up ~1/3 of what the Fed holds, the other ~2/3 are Treasuries. I don't think they'll get into mass shedding, but just stopping their buying is going to push rates up (which have been moving up fairly steadily since the end of July). Any Fed sales will only add to this.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 10:58 am
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7214 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:07 pm to
How much money is waiting on the sidelines?
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2940 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:38 pm to
How much is waiting on the sidelines?

At least my $2500/month. I just keep depositing it and not really sticking it anywhere just yet. I might miss a run or 2 in the interim, but I think the worst is yet to come.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:26 pm to
quote:

How much money is waiting on the sidelines?


That's like asking when the bottom will be.

I would guess there's a lot just waiting (I know I've been stockpiling), but with the market activity we've been seeing there's really no telling.
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
5348 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:12 pm to
glad my strategy of dripping $150 every 2 weeks into a S&P500 index fund (over 50 years) wont be affected by any of this
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2940 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:39 pm to
I'm still DCA my 401K Roth for my 27K (catch up) / yr.

I have other monies I am holding out, as I think I will get a better return on those monies.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52950 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:31 am to
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Yep. The rate at which the Fed was buying up MBSs and Treasury notes for the last decade-ish is what a lot of our economy has been floating on.

Where have we seen this before....
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32766 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:34 am to
Husss I’m sure you see the chart. We’re going down
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29034 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:06 am to
The liquidity the venture firms were using to acquire businesses has completely dried up.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11869 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:26 am to
High yield credit is drying up but there are mixed signals because credit spreads are closing. Once we get a few more quarters of these earnings haircuts that virus will spread into investment grade debt. This happened in Q1 2020 prior to the world cosplaying WWZ. The way bond funds are strucutred now those fallen angels get systematically sold and it freezes up all corporate credit.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20582 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:34 am to
So what is the consequences of that? In kindergarten speak please.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11869 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 9:46 am to
It's hard to say right now because the Federal Reserve is acting like a bunch of toddlers. Without any market intervention you would see an inability for corporations to refinance at rates low enough to keep them cash flow positive while their earnings and cash flow are contracting so they would be rolling debt at higher rates with deteriorating profitablity. Basically a cycle of insolvency. But this is America where only mom and pop shops are allowed to go under
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29034 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:59 am to
I had four M&A deals dry up over the last 30 days (2 last week) where due diligence had been going on since Nov 2021. All four of the private equity purchaser companies could not get financing as it was pulled. One said Oct 23rd they could try again but others were told to retry in Jan.

The sellers on these transactions are livid to say the least as each side on avg has spent in excess of 200k in due diligence prepping for the buyout.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11869 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:30 pm to
I have a friend in middle market M&A and he is saying the same thing
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
7777 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:21 pm to
The Fed is starting to take a bath on their bond portfolio
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32766 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:28 pm to
Fed finally hit the QT button at the bear market rally top. Plus the assassination in Russia is likely to stir that war up hard. And China is showing signs of economic collapss
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