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re: BJ Ojulari explains what he'll take away from Ed Orgeron entering Brian Kelly era
Posted on 7/27/22 at 4:07 pm to Captain Crown
Posted on 7/27/22 at 4:07 pm to Captain Crown
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“Graduate champions is a big motto for us now,” said Ojulari. “We take academics more seriously. As soon as coach Kelly came in, we raised out GPA by a certain amount of points – I don’t know the exact number – but the Spring semester was a great improvement in our team GPA. He’s definitely pushing academics on us. I know for a lot of guys, academics is very important in their families.”
Prolly has more to do with having more money to give professors, instead of CBK making them improve their grades.
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 4:22 pm to sweetwaterbilly
Joe Burrow happened
Posted on 7/27/22 at 4:25 pm to Captain Crown
I love the academics thing. That’s a great way to entertain parents and get them on your side
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:14 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Anyone who doesn’t shout out “Joe, Joe, Joe”, is playing with a few cards short of a full deck. imo
exactly.
and for those who say “yeah, but O went found Joe”, O would have signed a wet mop that identified as a QB. He had no clue Joe was Joe.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:25 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Yep, out of a rut and right over a cliff.
Atleast he helped get us to the top of the cliff before we went over.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:28 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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The more that leaks out about Orgeron's time here makes me wonder how 2019 ever happened
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:41 pm to Tigerlaff
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Look, O and his backstabbing machinations did two things:
1) Undermined and killed Les. There were people who wanted to keep him for another 20 years.
2) Brought us the greatest season of all time.
I will always be grateful for these. He moved us out of a rut. But he had no clue how to manage an organization of this magnitude.
Paradoxically, if O doesn't do that, Les probably doesn't bring us a title in 2019 and all his chickens come home to roost while he's here,not at Kansas; ultimately leaving us in at least as bad a situation, if if not worse.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:45 pm to Jim Rockford
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Paradoxically, if O doesn't do that,
with any even remotely competent AD, neither Les nor O are coaching this team in 2016 and beyond.
would 2019 have been greatest team ever? probably not.
but could we still have at least one title but also multiple playoff berths instead?
absolutely
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:19 pm to Nutriaitch
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and for those who say “yeah, but O went found Joe”, O would have signed a wet mop that identified as a QB. He had no clue Joe was Joe.
Meh. Urban Meyer had no clue Joe was Joe and he was right under his nose for 3 years.
I agree O didn’t identify Joe, but if he was so terrible and ran such a shitty program, would Busch have recommended LSU to Joe and his dad or told him to run? Would Aranda—who was OVER O—have stayed and become his subordinate and continued to stay there despite being offered multiple jobs at comparable salaries if O and the program were dumpster fires?
O has a ton of flaws, but was hired as an assistant by Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, Les Miles, Lane Kiffin, etc…and as the HC of 2 of the 14 SEC schools. Was getting elite jobs and cash for over 30 years. You can’t con that many people for that long. He did 2 things really well: 1) recruited—he genuinely loved to recruit and loved the dudes he recruited, even the ones he didn’t land, and 2) motivate—the players, assistant coaches, and fans. His recruiting plays and still would. His motivation, however, could only last so long. His style has a short shelf-life in 1 place and quickly gets/got tuned out.
His lack of other skills needed to be a successful head coach means he was always a short-term guy, at best. Why he’s such a good interim coach. His good traits turn stale too soon and expose his bad ones, which are eventually too much to overcome. But you’re being intellectually dishonest if you think every good thing that happened during his tenure was just magic and done in spite of him. But even if you think that and all the stars aligned in ‘19 and he had nothing to do with it any of it, we won the Fiesta Bowl in ‘18, our 1st NY6 win (not counting the ‘07 NC) since beating, coincidentally, Notre Dame and Brian Kelly in the ‘06 Sugar Bowl. 12 years. In his 5 years:
—got rid of Les
—won the Fiesta Bowl
—won the NC with the greatest team of all-time
—had QB that won the Heisman
—same QB went overall #1 in NFL draft
—last 2 seasons went 6-6
—stayed relevant enough to attract and hire Brian Kelly to a 10-year contract
We’d all have taken that the night Les lost to Auburn and was fired. You’re a fricking liar if you say otherwise. If we’d hired Jimbo, he’d still be our coach and we’d have racked up a bunch of 8-4/9-3 regular seasons with accompanying Citrus and Outback Bowl wins/losses.
The thing we don’t talk about regarding O’s downfall was his complete and utter intellectual inability to deal with 2020 and the political fallout, specifically the racial component. He was way out of his depth, and I think Woodward knew it and instead of throwing him a life raft, kinda callously watched him drown.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:48 pm to Hot Carl
quote:well if O would’ve continued to hire competent coaches, not embarrass the university on a weekly basis and continued to win the life raft would’ve been given. O has only his self to blame for getting canned.
Woodward knew it and instead of throwing him a life raft, kinda callously watched him drown.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:50 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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makes me wonder how 2019 ever happened
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:29 pm to Tigerbythetale
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Burrow, Brady, Aranda CEH, JJ, JC, Marshal. All O had to do was to stay out of the way
Speaking of which, where is Brady lighting it up these days?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:29 pm to Hot Carl
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O has a ton of flaws, but was hired as an assistant
he’s a damn good assistant.
never once denied that.
if he went looking for a job as an assistant, he would get hired again.
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You can’t con that many people for that long.
he “conned” 2 people.
Ole Miss (who to this day still deeply regrets it) and Joe Alleva.
USC didn’t hire him, Syracuse didn’t even grant him and interview when he publicly begged for that gig, and had we had anyone other than Alleva (who has a history of hiring interim coaches full time) as our AD, LSU would not have hired him either.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:30 pm to Captain Crown
O’s motto was “frick school, play 3 years, and enter the draft”
The entire program fell apart
The entire program fell apart
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:40 pm to The Truth 34
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You sure?
I’m sure. But the increased emphasis on academics can only be a good thing. I’ll defend O for a lot but I know he only cared that the guys stay barely eligible.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 8:05 am to sweetwaterbilly
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The more that leaks out about Orgeron's time here makes me wonder how 2019 ever happened
Aranda and Ensminger.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 8:23 am to Hot Carl
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Woodward knew it and instead of throwing him a life raft, kinda callously watched him drown
Woodward was completely derelict in his duty by not helping in the coaching searches for DC and OC. Basically stabbed a NC winning coach in the back.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:45 am to mmcgrath
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Woodward was completely derelict in his duty by not helping in the coaching searches for DC and OC. Basically stabbed a NC winning coach in the back.
O needed Alleva to step in and attend meetings with O and his assistants to make sure everyone did their own jobs.
now you're saying O apparently needed Woodward to hold his hand during assistant searches.
was O actually responsible for anything at all?
do you think Alabama's AD sits in on team meeting to make sure Saban is doing things right?
do you think their AD has much input on assistants out side of "here is your budget for this position"?
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:08 pm to mmcgrath
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Woodward was completely derelict in his duty by not helping in the coaching searches for DC and OC. Basically stabbed a NC winning coach in the back.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:11 pm to mmcgrath
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Woodward was completely derelict in his duty by not helping in the coaching searches for DC and OC. Basically stabbed a NC winning coach in the back.
You can’t be serious with this.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 1:12 pm
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