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Doesn’t seem like people are hurting financially right now

Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted by St Jean The Baptiste
Laredo, TX
Member since Aug 2015
5828 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:56 pm
Hotel prices are higher than I’ve ever seen, yet all hotels are booked.

Gas prices are higher than ever, yet every pump at the Buc-Ee’s is spoken for.

Airline prices are higher than ever, yet almost every flight is near or at capacity.

Housing prices are also through the roof, but people are buying homes in record numbers.

It seems as if people are buying at all time highs despite the prices. You would think people would pull back a bit, but no. What gives?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:57 pm to
Money is worthless.

Why hold onto it?
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25087 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:00 pm to
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Airline prices are higher than ever, yet almost every flight is near or at capacity.
I thought a bunch of airlines reduced the number of flights. So yeah, the ones left are full but its due to fewer number of flights
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:01 pm to
isn’t consumer debt skyrocketing right now?
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4647 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:01 pm to
Usually takes a quarter or two for rate hikes to work. There’s the true higher cost of money and borrowing and then there’s the mental part too. Mental part usually takes an oh shite moment for people to realize they need to tighten up.

Also, you are now seeing the largest wealth gap in history. There will be no middle class when it’s all said and done.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:02 pm to
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Also, you are now seeing the largest wealth gap in history. There will be no middle class when it’s all said and done


You got a link?

2 years ago, it was the lower class that was shrinking (into the middle class).
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4647 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:12 pm to
No link, just an old grey hair banker that’s seen a lot through the years.

2 years ago the lower class was probably shrinking into the middle class. But it was all propped up by government spending and programs during Covid. Now that the tide is rolling out those people will all show they’re playing with their pants down.

Average care note of over $700 a month now too plus housing costs. Shits about to hit the fan.
Posted by Joehat
New Orleans West
Member since Jun 2011
1077 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:25 pm to
I’m not a financial guy, but woild the following happen? Pandemic money given ti people inflated their credit scores, which resulted in those people obtaining revolving credit and auto loans. Now, without that money the default rate will be staggering which could lead to collapse on revolving debt lines and auto loan companies? Just a thought, if I’m totally off let me know
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4647 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:34 pm to
Nope. Kind of dead on there
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25005 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:40 pm to
Open your aperture.

People have been locked up for 2 years and not able to enjoy traveling. There was also a bunch of free money pumped into pockets. Consumer demand for the travel industry is high because there’s multiple years of pent up interest in seeing the country / world.

All of that said, savings rates are plummeting and consumer sentiment is worsening.
Posted by horsesandbulls
Destin, FL
Member since Jun 2008
5144 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:56 pm to
Don't forget student loan payments are on pause.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 1:58 pm to
Some of those are inter-related.

I read that the US airline industry as a whole let go 10,000 pilots during pandemic, resulting in less flights. Supply of airline seats is down versus 2019, as it contracted during pandemic and airlines are slow to add capacity (as they are facing air traffic controllers, operations staff turnover, etc.), yet demand is strong (but on a smaller supply).

If people cannot afford airline tickets, you can bet they are driving. Fuel volume is not quite back to Aug 2019 levels but real close and suspect summer 2022 will get there.

People got a taste of virtual working and now in some households 2 working parents are working from home and/or people can work from anywhere. Sweet interest rates of recent years, particularly during pandemic and historically speaking, keeping that demand high. Commensurate raw materials up (some just because they could, eg, plumbing pipe). Demand destruction starting now in housing with interest rates on rise.

I don't think this economy is one we have seen before. It is far more micro (and some unique) events happening, yet the Fed's tools to mitigate inflation are blunt and broad. The case studies for future, more efficient treatment of inflation in a never seen before economy, is in development.

Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38421 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 2:01 pm to
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isn’t consumer debt skyrocketing right now?



ding ding ding.

Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
53561 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 2:25 pm to
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All of that said, savings rates are plummeting and consumer sentiment is worsening.


I think a bit of this is that a lot of people have a bit of hubris about their job security given what we’ve seen in the labor markets over the last 24-48 months.

Based on what I’m hearing from a few CEOs I work with, labor markets are starting to soften ever so slightly. We’ve gotten some in-office employees hired in the last month that we had trouble getting anyone to even get interview for 3 months ago.

People are going to be shocked at how quick the tide will turn on them.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32702 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 2:32 pm to
Baw you don’t seem to understand supply and demand. If everyone is buying something, the price goes up
Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
4480 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 2:33 pm to
Consumer debt is on the rise, and most people book flights ahead of time like 2-4 months so they paid a cheaper price. Take that with people not having to pay rent, and student loans they have an inflated since of what they can afford. Now they all think student loan debt will be eliminated so why not blow more money? And all back rent will be forgiven until they finally get their eviction notice and won’t be able to afford anything because they blew all that money
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
2921 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 2:41 pm to
It is not reflected here at the beach...we are seeing record numbers as regards our condo rentals...
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
2975 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 3:43 pm to
I know it’s a bit of a reach but I have a theory on why it appears spending has continued despite all of the bad news.

I think that marketing is currently too powerful for the average person. Have we ever had a time in history where people were this inundated with advertisements? I think it has entirely hooked into our desire to “keep up with the jones’” and people are just going to spend until they drive off the cliff.

Mix that with consumer debt being at an all time high, savings being at an all time low, car/utilities/gas payments skyrocketing, certain industries pulling back (mortgage, real estate, automotive), and bs loans in the auto/solar industry should be a cause for concern.
No clue where we are headed but it will be somewhere interesting.
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4561 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 4:14 pm to
No one driving old sedans on the road here in Baton Rouge. Every one seems to own a Lexus 460. I drive a 2003 Camry as I’m cheap

I sometimes wonder if average household income in Baton Rouge is 200K+
This post was edited on 7/10/22 at 4:15 pm
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
7084 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 4:23 pm to
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No clue where we are headed but it will be somewhere interesting.


I just wish the train wreck would begin already.
This post was edited on 7/10/22 at 7:54 pm
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