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re: Southern Company Announces Closure of Majority of its Coal Fleet by 2028
Posted on 6/10/22 at 7:23 am to Brandonthepotato
Posted on 6/10/22 at 7:23 am to Brandonthepotato
quote:
That’s these TVA derivative operations like. OLGATHORPE POWER allegedly out buying the public for forest hardwood timber?
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
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Posted on 6/10/22 at 10:52 am to Go_Dawgs
quote:All that is documented in this thread is your imbecile answers to thing about which you have no clue.
FFS, What type of retarded, circle back response is this?
I hate Democrats wholesale, and their anti-American policies, but Nuclear IS the best option for energy production as it relates to clean energy and safety.
This is very well documented
Posted on 6/10/22 at 10:59 am to bird35
quote:
Only 4.7% of Georgia’s electricity comes from coal.
75% from hydro. As a river fisherman who fishes downriver from dams I like the system we currently have.
Bro, that's the country of Georgia in eastern Europe.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:10 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:Well yeah, TAKE YOUR PATH
I would argue nuclear is the best path.
Borrow $3 to 20 BILLION to dig a hole by a river, spend a few billion more and let it sit when you announce that completion of it after 30 to 60 years will not be remotely feasible.
Thats the ticket!
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:18 am to Go_Dawgs
quote:Sure, if borrowing $20 billion to dig a hole by a river, spend billions more to culminate in announcement that feasibility is an impossibility 40 to 60 years later
It is literally the best means we have for renewable energy but even the left is too stupid to realize it.
"LITERALLY the best means" for idiots
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:29 am to Tarps99
quote:
Glad I am not a shareholder or
Southern shares will always do well. No huge jumps but long term utilities are good investments
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:41 am to Hewonbyalot
quote:
Back during the 2020 summer of love(riots) they "blacked out" their website in solidarity with BLM
APCO HQ had 2-3 million dollars of damage done to the building durning the BLM riots. Police were able to identify the offenders and APCO declined to prosecute.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:50 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:
Borrow $3 to 20 BILLION to dig a hole by a river, spend a few billion more and let it sit when you announce that completion of it after 30 to 60 years will not be remotely feasible.
WTF? Units 3 and 4 at Vogtle will be completed albeit grossly over budget for various reasons including poor management by Southern Company.
But the same happened during construction of units 1 & 2 and today they're among the cheapest most reliable baseload sources of energy in the state.
Nuclear is expensive at the front end because of construction but the cost/kwh goes down over time since fuel is cheap. It's a long term investment.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:51 am to bird35
Sorry man but you must live in some other Georgia than the one located in the southeast US. The American state of Georgia gets 50 percent of its power from natural gas powered plants, about 28 percent from nuclear and less than 15 percent from coal and less than 10 percent from hydro.
Closure of coal fired units has been going on for several years, driven by the Obama Administration and continued through now, it’s a little late for people to wake up and start hollering, they’ve already closed over 300 plants and the rest are already assigned targeted closure dates, unfortunately most will be gone by 2030-2035.
Folks can argue until they faint that nuclear is the best option but regulatory restrictions, permits, government oversight, cost overruns and the inability to quickly build and commission a nuclear has prevented companies from being willing to jump off into all or nothing nuclear fleets.
I’m not aware of ANY nuclear plant ever being built on budget nor on time and when you start out with projected cost in the range of 6 to 9 billion with 7-8 years to completion and end up at 18-20 billion and 12-14 years before you produce the first megawatt, it’s an economic gamble that most investors don’t want the power companies they’re investing in to venture off into.
Closure of coal fired units has been going on for several years, driven by the Obama Administration and continued through now, it’s a little late for people to wake up and start hollering, they’ve already closed over 300 plants and the rest are already assigned targeted closure dates, unfortunately most will be gone by 2030-2035.
Folks can argue until they faint that nuclear is the best option but regulatory restrictions, permits, government oversight, cost overruns and the inability to quickly build and commission a nuclear has prevented companies from being willing to jump off into all or nothing nuclear fleets.
I’m not aware of ANY nuclear plant ever being built on budget nor on time and when you start out with projected cost in the range of 6 to 9 billion with 7-8 years to completion and end up at 18-20 billion and 12-14 years before you produce the first megawatt, it’s an economic gamble that most investors don’t want the power companies they’re investing in to venture off into.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:05 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
I worked my fair share of Nuclear Plants across the country. Ppl really can’t fathom the cost to plan, build and operate these units. Not to mention the outages it takes to refuel and to modify any design.
It’s all about procedure, following the book to the the letter. You don’t scratch your arse in a Nuke Plant without signing some kinda of paperwork depending on the level of clearance you have. The cost is astronomical to maintain one.
It’s all about procedure, following the book to the the letter. You don’t scratch your arse in a Nuke Plant without signing some kinda of paperwork depending on the level of clearance you have. The cost is astronomical to maintain one.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:08 pm to tgdawg68
quote:YA THINK?
Nuclear is expensive
Go find the Wikipedia of the list of American nuclear power plants
with the exception of subsidized ie tva ETC
virtually ALL OF THE DOZENS OF THEM HAVE BEEN under construction for from 35 to 60 years
minor exceptions?
there are no more
Jane Fonda, it turns out, was not a good selection to run the American nuclear industry.
WHAT IS MORE APPALLING is the complete absence of willed investigation related to this subject. Numbskulls apparently rule these days.
I get the nagging feeling also that much of the know-it-all HOLLERING BOYS come from that particular demographic we have come to know by their blind brainless blathering
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:19 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:
units 1 & 2 and today they're among the cheapest most reliable baseload sources of energy in the state.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:33 pm to tgdawg68
quote:if you start counting the cost at the current 45 years post-construction start.... MAYBE
units 1 & 2 and today they're among the cheapest most reliable baseload sources of energy in the state.
to be followed by the OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR D O Z E N S AND D O Z E N S of more units..
never mind the 45-60 year delays
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:13 pm to tgdawg68
quote:again, your first actual clue awaits
cost/kwh goes down over time since fuel is cheap. It's a long term investment.
these arent light bulbs you just bought at Aldi, Sparky...
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:23 pm to oldskule
quote:
This is horrible news....coal and natural gas is absolutely the best way for us to go.....
The United States has more coal reserves, by far, than any nation on earth. We’re going to metaphorically starve amongst plenty.
I hate our overlords and I want them to hang.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:27 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
You are making no sense at all. Just like your moronic 'everybody cheats but Auburn' rants.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:28 pm to Brandonthepotato
In all fairness, Southern is bringing up two brand new nukes.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:29 pm to Brandonthepotato
quote:
After years of pressure from grassroots organizations,
Grassroots my arse. Big corporate activism is more appropriate.
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:34 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:
if you start counting the cost at the current 45 years post-construction start.... MAYBE
Nope, the percentage of cost due to construction paid by the consumer decays over time and nuclear fuel is cheap relative to other base load fuels. That is why Vogtle 1 & 2 are cheap sources today.
Your incoherent posts are a clue that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:49 pm to tgdawg68
quote:you are an imbecile without a clue
tgdawg68
I worked in nuclear power (also pumped storage hydroelectric) plant scheduling, design, and construction for 6 years in the 1980s
you?
buy some light bulbs at ALDI?
again, you are really going to claim superior knowledge?
mmm
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 1:56 pm
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