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re: Fox Sports Marcellus Wiley says it’s not guns, it’s about people
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:13 am to DiscountedCashFlow
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:13 am to DiscountedCashFlow
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Scaling for population, US homicide rates are far higher than the rest of the world - in fact, France's homicide rate is 1.3 per 100,000.
The US is almost 5x that - in fact, if you just look at the white population (i.e white homicide defendants), they occur at a rate 4x that of France. So it can't be pinned on gang crime either because this is comparing white American defendants to France.
Give us the data on this.
How many American white non-Hispanic per 100,000 murderers are there in a typical year?
I think your assertions are frickery, but it’s hard to argue when you don’t back them up at all.
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:16 am to Byrdybyrd05
Only one side chooses to focus on the machine and not the person. That is intentional.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:19 am to DiscountedCashFlow
Those numbers pale in comparison to the tens of millions killed by governments in the last century. What purpose do you think the 2nd Amendment serves?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:20 am to Jbird
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FightingFiduciary is another of this frick's alters.
Correct.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:24 am to Byrdybyrd05
Let's see how long it takes for him to issue some unwarranted apology.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:29 am to DiscountedCashFlow
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Either address the point or don't.
I’d still like to hear one specific gun control measure that would have stopped any of the mass shootings in recent memory. Absent outlawing the ownership or possession of any firearm in the USA, which is impractical and unconstitutional, gun violence will continue.
Gun control only impedes law-abiding citizens of this country. The bad guys will always have guns and actually love the idea of gun control.
How about investing money in US schools and businesses for heightened security measures instead of handing out trillions to countries on the other side of the globe and pork programs like “study of the mating habits of fireflies”.
There is not a single reasonable or realistic gun control measure that would have prevented any of the mass murders in recent memory. Banning ARs? AKs? Not only unconstitutional but worthless. The bad guys will use another weapon of choice.
Universal background checks? Only good guys will abide by such a law. Felons who know they face arrest if caught “failing” a background check aren’t goin that route. Just as they don’t strut into Academy to purchase a gun now. They get them on the street.
Gun control measures touted currently only infringe on law-abiding gun owners. And those who legally obtain guns through background checks and then commit crimes can’t be stopped.
Again, I’d like to hear just one “specific” gun control measure that would have prevented just one mass shooting AND that is Constitutional.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:30 am to Byrdybyrd05
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it’s not guns, it’s about people
If that were true, why are Canadians so much better than Americans? Australians? New Zealanders?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:31 am to LSUChamps03
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I’d still like to hear one specific gun control measure that would have stopped any of the mass shootings in recent memory.
Raising the age for ownership of ar-15's to 21.
Red flag laws.
Stronger background checks.
Waiting periods.
Lots of options, that you 'still' think you haven't heard one is your problem.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:34 am to DiscountedCashFlow
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That's a deflection.
Either address the point or don't.
The point is that leftist governments have killed more of their citizens than all of their criminals combined, which is why I won't be surrendering my guns.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:36 am to DiscountedCashFlow
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I mean it's literally just the FBI definition of a mass shooting here but okay.
Oh, if the trusted FBI run by left wing traitors (See: Russiagate) defines something I’m going with that definition!
Come on, we also have been told by the left and it’s Ministry of Propaganda (I.e., the “mainstream”(?) media) that there are countless genders. That’s not fact.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:41 am to DiscountedCashFlow
France's death rate is 9.3 per 1000, while the US is 8.7 per 1000.
That's a 7% higher death rate than the US, so I'll take my chances here while they can continue choking on their truffles and escargot.
That's a 7% higher death rate than the US, so I'll take my chances here while they can continue choking on their truffles and escargot.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:49 am to LSUChamps03
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Oh, if the trusted FBI run by left wing traitors (See: Russiagate) defines something I’m going with that definition!
The FBI, a famously right-wing organization, is now left-wing?
Man, you guys label all institutions that point out wrong doing or investigate wrong doing by dear leader as left-wing ...
It loses all meaning.
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Come on, we also have been told by the left and it’s Ministry of Propaganda (I.e., the “mainstream”(?) media) that there are countless genders. That’s not fact.
I don't get this.
You guys can't even keep to make up your mind.
So you're telling me the left control institutions, mainstream media, corporations? And yet at the same time you call them incompetent? That doesn't sound like incompetence to me.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:49 am to BamaAtl
Raising the age for ownership of ar-15's to 21.
Nope. Guys who want to commit mass murders can and WILL get their hands in a gun no matter an age requirement.
Red flag laws.
Nope. Again. Take a man’s gun who someone (possibly with an I’ll-meaning agenda against another) reports to law-enforcement will likely embolden them if they wish to kill.
Stronger background checks.
Other than what’s already in place to impede the law-abiding citizen’s purchase of a firearm? The bad guys/felons aren’t stupid enough to risk jail time knowing a background check will catch them. Universal checks? Bad guys aren’t buying guns from any one, any how that requires a background check.
Waiting periods.
Again, how does that stop a bad guy from getting a gun?
Lots of options, that you 'still' think you haven't heard one is your problem.
I’ll ask you again. Make up a reasonable example of an instance where any of the measures you tout would stop a person bent on using a firearm to kill people. I’m open-minded to any reasonable, achievable AND Constitutional measure that will stop mass shootings.
Nope. Guys who want to commit mass murders can and WILL get their hands in a gun no matter an age requirement.
Red flag laws.
Nope. Again. Take a man’s gun who someone (possibly with an I’ll-meaning agenda against another) reports to law-enforcement will likely embolden them if they wish to kill.
Stronger background checks.
Other than what’s already in place to impede the law-abiding citizen’s purchase of a firearm? The bad guys/felons aren’t stupid enough to risk jail time knowing a background check will catch them. Universal checks? Bad guys aren’t buying guns from any one, any how that requires a background check.
Waiting periods.
Again, how does that stop a bad guy from getting a gun?
Lots of options, that you 'still' think you haven't heard one is your problem.
I’ll ask you again. Make up a reasonable example of an instance where any of the measures you tout would stop a person bent on using a firearm to kill people. I’m open-minded to any reasonable, achievable AND Constitutional measure that will stop mass shootings.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:51 am to BamaAtl
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If that were true, why are Canadians so much better than Americans? Australians? New Zealanders?
You responded to a post suggesting it’s a people problem and not a gun problem, and then gave examples of Lilly white countries with enforced borders as arguments it’s actually a gun problem.
Give the example of the large country as racially diverse as the US with an open border - but has strict gun laws - and a substantially lower murder rate.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:54 am to LSUChamps03
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Again, how does that stop a bad guy from getting a gun?
There's evidence to suggest it reduces homicide rates by acting as a 'cooling' period. There was a study done a few years ago looking at states with waiting periods and those without that suggested that there was an effect from having waiting periods.
If I'm extremely angry, I might go out and buy a gun and carry out a shooting immediately. If there's a waiting period, it gives people time to think about their actions and calm down.
It also gives people time to reflect on their actions.
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Nope. Guys who want to commit mass murders can and WILL get their hands in a gun no matter an age requirement.
No, they don't acquire guns as easily.
It acts as an additional barrier - see above. People under 21 are massively overrepresented among school shooters and mass shooters - by making it more difficult, you give people time to think.
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Other than what’s already in place to impede the law-abiding citizen’s purchase of a firearm? The bad guys/felons aren’t stupid enough to risk jail time knowing a background check will catch them. Universal checks? Bad guys aren’t buying guns from any one, any how that requires a background check.
Most of these guys have violent backgrounds and a history of violence. It doesn't happen at once - stronger background checks could potentially take that into account.
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Nope. Again. Take a man’s gun who someone (possibly with an I’ll-meaning agenda against another) reports to law-enforcement will likely embolden them if they wish to kill.
Really? This doesn't seem to be the case in other countries that have similar systems.
In Canada, you have to acquire references from 3 people and undergo psychological examination before you can get a gun.
It doesn't stop gun violence but it does reduce it.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:55 am to David_DJS
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gave examples of Lilly white countries with enforced borders as arguments it’s actually a gun problem.
You may want to look up the race of these mass shooters, champ.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:56 am to DiscountedCashFlow
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The fact that the mentally ill have access to guns is the issue.
It’s the fact we give these people attention and make them household names. Stop giving them what they want!
Media should be sued into bankruptcy for enabling these loons.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:58 am to Tantal
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That's a deflection. Either address the point or don't. The point is that leftist governments have killed more of their citizens than all of their criminals combined, which is why I won't be surrendering my guns.
This!
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:58 am to LSUChamps03
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Guys who want to commit mass murders can and WILL get their hands in a gun no matter an age requirement.
If that were true why did the perpetrator in Uvalde wait until just after he turned 18 to purchase a weapon? Is it your assertion that at 17 he was peaceful, but the day he turned 18 he turned homicidal?
Or maybe it's that as soon as he was legally (easily) able to obtain a gun, he did so. Obviously.
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Take a man’s gun who someone (possibly with an I’ll-meaning agenda against another) reports to law-enforcement will likely embolden them if they wish to kill.
Luckily at that point the homicidal person won't have a gun to commit said killing with.
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Other than what’s already in place to impede the law-abiding citizen’s purchase of a firearm?
Yes.
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The bad guys/felons aren’t stupid enough to risk jail time knowing a background check will catch them.
Stronger background checks would also include stricter penalties for straw purchases.
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I’ll ask you again. Make up a reasonable example of an instance where any of the measures you tout would stop a person bent on using a firearm to kill people.
Glad I could help you by doing that. I'm happy to hear you're on board with these measures now, since your questions were answered.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:58 am to DiscountedCashFlow
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he FBI, a famously right-wing organization, is now left-wing? Man, you guys label all institutions that point out wrong doing or investigate wrong doing by dear leader as left-wing ... It loses all meaning. quote: Come on, we also have been told by the left and it’s Ministry of Propaganda (I.e., the “mainstream”(?) media) that there are countless genders. That’s not fact. I don't get this. You guys can't even keep to make up your mind. So you're telling me the left control institutions, mainstream media, corporations? And yet at the same time you call them incompetent? That doesn't sound like incompetence to me.
Your deflecting from the topic, gun control. I’m just pointing out that just because government officials define something a certain way doesn’t make it fact, specifically “mass shooting”, which sparks gun control debate. And come on, if you’re not aware of the FBI’s slant in current times you’re either only following CNN and MSNBC or completely ignoring facts.
After all provisions of “government” aren’t absolute. Laws in one state to another can vary wildly. I don’t believe there are more than 2 genders because our government, media and mentally I’ll tell me it’s so.
So back to gun control, give me real solutions. I’m open to hearing it. The caveats are that it’s achievable and Constitutional. I think that’s fair.
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