re: Fox Sports Marcellus Wiley says it’s not guns, it’s about people

Alterboy hard at it already this morning.

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Remind me, how many mass shootings happen in France again?

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Remind me of that truck a few years ago that killed around 70…

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On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19-tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 458 others. The driver was Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian living in France. Wikipedia

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Seems like it’s still just as easy to kill a bunch of people

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The irony is that they are probably a hard core, goose-stepping, leftist communazi...but they sure seem to love to some capitalism and “share blue.” I guarantee you that this shite bag is knee deep into DU.

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I'm very capitalist - I'm not sure where I've said the opposite.

I'm culturally liberal and economically right-wing to an extent.

Lower taxes, more immigration, more free trade, more globalization, less regulation.

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this shite bag is knee deep into DU.

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What's DU?

I’m just pointing out recent mass killings that the body count was higher than the mass shooter. But again these were done by Islamic extremists. So I guess they don’t count.

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Define the following as it relates to the USA (in compared to France) from the 1950’s and prior.

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LINK .

The homicide rate in the US was even higher in the 1970s than they are today at around 8.8 compared with 5.9 today. In the 1950s, it was around what it is today. In France, it was around 0.9 in the 1970s and is around 1.31 today.

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Mass shootings were still common in the US as well if you want to look at mass shootings in particular.

Taken from Krouse and Richardson (2013)

• one (1.1) incident per year during the 1970s (5.5 victims murdered, 2.0 wounded
per incident),

• nearly three (2.7) incidents per year during the 1980s (6.1 victims murdered, 5.3 wounded per incident),

• four (4.0) incidents per year during the 1990s (5.6 victims murdered, 5.5
wounded per incident),

• four (4.1) incidents per year during the 2000s (6.4 victims murdered, 4.0
wounded per incident),

• four (4.5) incidents per year from 2010 through 2013 (7.4 victims murdered, 6.3
wounded per incident).

If you go to Figure 9, it will show you that when we look at *victims* as a rate, the mass public shooting rate has not increased that much since the 1970s. When we look at victims per firearm, it's actually declined so the 1970s-2020s weren't really that safe either.

Alas, I am not paid -> this is a labor of love.

So while it is more common now, it wasn't uncommon back then either.

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It takes much more planning and intervention to get weapons/a bomb -> the barrier to entry is higher as much as people claim otherwise.

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Did this guy use a bomb or just a truck?

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And they absolutely count, which is why they were included in the homicide figures I've provided.

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You used Mother Jones as a source.

Anything and everything you post on this board from that moment should be considered either a lie or inaccurate.

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Did this guy use a bomb or just a truck?

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Which guy? I mean there have been people who do use trucks but vehicles as a homicide device are much more inefficient.

You can't use them indoors nor are they really useful in non-crowded situations (because if people are spread out, it's more difficult to manoeuvre).

And where there are crowds, they can be blocked by using blocks or other methods.

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The problem here is a lot of this is Islamic terrorist stuff. So I guess we got to leave those out. They don’t count. Just looking the majority of the mass killings in France since 2012 were done by Islamic extremists.

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These sorts of attacks in the homicide figures are accounted for.

France is a relatively violent Western country. But compared to the US, it almost pales in significance (and that's just the white population at that).

American Blacks have a homicide offending rate of over 25-30 per 100,000.

American whites have as homicide offending rate of around 5 per 100,000.

The French homicide rate (including those terror attacks) is around 1.3 today per 100,000.

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I used it as a starting definition.....I mean it's literally just the FBI definition of a mass shooting here but okay.

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If you weren't a troll and or an idiot Communist, you would have just used the FBI source.

You cited Mother Jones because you wanted a reaction.

You suck at this.

What was your previous user name?