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re: Common thread in mass shooters
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:17 pm to Powerman
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:17 pm to Powerman
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"I don't believe bullying caused Columbine," Jeff Kass, who covered the story for the Rocky Mountain News, told CNN. "My key reason for that is they never mentioned it in their diaries."
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their diaries
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:18 pm to Privateer 2007
I don’t disagree and the kid in Uvalde is 100% to blame… but when you combine the reaction to covid with vulnerable members of society, shite like this will happen. He lived with his damn grandma. I guarantee he had no love or support at home. I’m not making excuses for him, he’s to blame, but our government made his already shitty life probably 100x worse with covid bs
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:20 pm to Privateer 2007
I’d love to see data on the political leaning of mass shooters, gang violence aside we know how they lean…
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:22 pm to Terrific Tales
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Ok well if you aren’t actually going to address anything I said, then I’m done here
Bless your heart...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:23 pm to Privateer 2007
My neighbor who shot up his work had a pretty good job, family, really everything. But 99% you're right
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:30 pm to Privateer 2007
Or they follow Islam.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:31 pm to TigerDenWest
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I’d love to see data on the political leaning of mass shooters
Most of these people are under the age of 20
It's not really far fetched to think that many of them are apolitical
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:38 pm to The Maj
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Bless your heart...
He quite literally ignored every single thing that was said just to make a quip about me leaving
If his point isn’t that mass shootings aren’t a problem, then he has none.
Mass shootings being less of an issue than other things is not and never will be a valid reason to write off discussion of solutions
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:40 pm to Terrific Tales
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ignored every single
As you did when I asked you for examples of shooters that refute the OPs assertions...
Like I said, bless your heart...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:05 pm to The Maj
quote:Probably because you didn’t pay attention to the fact that I was never replying to you. And never said anything to agree or disagree with what you said about examples of shooters… because that isn’t what I was talking about
As you did when I asked you for examples of shooters that refute the OPs assertions...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:09 pm to Privateer 2007
It is not really "mass shooters" but mass killers and I think the distinction is important. We have not been able to solve the issue of mass killing because our media and some politicians tend to address this problem as a single-issue deal, and believe that guns alone are the problem. Others (like me) believe that mental health is the main problem and that we have failed to come up with a way to identify people who are crazy enough to want to just shoot a bunch of innocent people - with children being the most innocent and so their best target.
Anyway, I think that crazy people will just look for another way to satisfy their sick compulsions if we take away their guns. I admit that taking away the easy means for them to kill will likely stop some of them, but the nut cases will still be out there. But we do a terrible job of identifying those people before they can act and taking even small steps to deter them. This is where we need to focus. It won't be easy. But difficult problems are rarely solved with an easy fix.
Anyway, I think that crazy people will just look for another way to satisfy their sick compulsions if we take away their guns. I admit that taking away the easy means for them to kill will likely stop some of them, but the nut cases will still be out there. But we do a terrible job of identifying those people before they can act and taking even small steps to deter them. This is where we need to focus. It won't be easy. But difficult problems are rarely solved with an easy fix.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:15 pm to idlewatcher
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Columbine shooters would be an example
They were loners and not involved in school activities. Which is exactly what OP referenced.
The parents had no clue what their kids were doing in their own house. Same with the Sandy Hook, same with Uvalde, Same with Miami.
Uvalde kid lived with his grandparents, had no job, stopped going to school. But he had a truck and he had a couple thousand dollars to buy two guns. He shot his Grandmother over a phone bill argument. His grandfather said he stayed mostly to himself in his room so what phone charges could he have rung up to initiate an argument with his grandmother?
Every shooter was enabled into their actions by their adult parental oversight.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:24 pm to Powerman
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Except that's not always the case
I can’t think of an example where after the fact people said “nah, he was a really cool guy. Good at sports and popular. This is a total shock.”
I’m open to being wrong.
One of the most heartbreaking things I remember about Majorie Douglas shooting was the shaved head girl saying “yeah of course we bullied him. He was terrible and he deserved it.”
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:26 pm to Terrific Tales
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because that isn’t what I was talking about
It most certainly was what you were talking about and I was talking to you...
You chose to ignore that and move onto something else... Either way you still look the idiot, so bless your heart...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:41 pm to The Maj
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It most certainly was what you were talking about and I was talking to you...
You chose to ignore that and move onto something else... Either way you still look the idiot, so bless your heart...
Dude read my reply
The guy said they don’t happen often. I replied that he was uninformed. You or your opinions were in no way involved in what I said in any way
Learn to read
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:42 pm to Privateer 2007
quote:Does it loosely follow the ethnic ratio of the general population?
White, Black, Hispanic, Asian. All the same.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:56 pm to Privateer 2007
James Holmes (Colorado theater shooter) from wiki:
It goes on to say that one professor called him "socially inept." Holmes did have a GF while at Colorado who later left him after he talked about killing people.
So, yeah, while Holmes was considered weird, he wasn't really a "loser" in the sense of having nothing going on. Honor student in a PhD program in neuroscience.
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Holmes attended the University of California, Riverside (UCR). In 2010, he received his undergraduate B.S. degree in neuroscience with highest honors. He was a member of several honor societies, including Phi Beta Kappa and Golden Key
In June 2011, Holmes enrolled as a Ph.D. student in neuroscience at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora.[55] He received a $21,600 grant from the National Institutes of Health.
It goes on to say that one professor called him "socially inept." Holmes did have a GF while at Colorado who later left him after he talked about killing people.
So, yeah, while Holmes was considered weird, he wasn't really a "loser" in the sense of having nothing going on. Honor student in a PhD program in neuroscience.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:14 pm to Terrific Tales
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The guy said they don’t happen often. I replied that he was uninformed.
Because they DO happen very often? Mass shootings are a significant cause of death to children?
No, they're not. If you're thinking of some "solution" to this problem that you weren't thinking of 3 weeks ago then you're thinking emotionally, not rationally. That's not a good way to solve any problem.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:20 pm to Privateer 2007
Yep that’s pretty much it and what I’ve been saying for years young men need a job and to get laid… if you just do good at work they go hand in hand… women like confidence and a man that is good at his job is confident.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:20 pm to Privateer 2007
Just do something anything and be proud about it.
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