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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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We simply don't want to do what it takes to solve the problem.
What is the problem, and what should we do to solve it?
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:43 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Have we? Have we "always" had more guns in private hands than total number of residents?
Number of households with guns since 1972
And yet in the 70s through 90s, mass shootings were extremely rare.
It's almost like guns aren't the issue.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:46 pm to Centinel
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What is the problem...?
Well, there it is, there is no problem.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:50 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Well, there it is, there is no problem.
I never said there isn't a problem. Of course there is a problem. I want you to state what that problem is, and what your answer is to that problem.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:58 pm to AUCE05
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Massive penalties for anyone holding or supplying someone with a weapon that can't legally own one.
The same people who are crying for gun control right now would be crying if this measure was actually implemented, because it would result in the mass incarceration of young black males.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:02 pm to Salmon
The stats are the stats. Maybe you’re right.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:03 pm to Tiger1242
A of of the issues we have today stem from the decline of a strong, 2 parent family. We have also taken God out of everything. The kids and even a lot of adults have become social media zombies, the media lies to us at every turn. The world has become a cesspool and when that happens, this is the kind of shite you get.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:07 pm to Centinel
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I want you to state what that problem is
Repeated mass murder of school children, for one.
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what your answer is to that problem.
Live with it or leave.
After 20 years I believe we've determined that here is no solution to be found, and nothing anybody can do about it.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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After 20 years I believe we've determined that here is no solution to be found, and nothing anybody can do about it.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:12 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Live with it or leave.
After 20 years I believe we've determined that here is no solution to be found, and nothing anybody can do about it.
Let's say we could snap our fingers and you are appointed gun violence czar. What measures would you take to reduce and/or prevent future mass shootings?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:18 pm to UpToPar
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Let's say we could snap our fingers and you are appointed gun violence czar. What measures would you take to reduce and/or prevent future mass shootings?
At this point only draconian confiscation of private property and draconian violation of civil rights by locking up crazy people would make a dent. But we value individual liberties and 2nd Amendment protections over the welfare of the society. That is to say, the individual trumps the community. So, this is what we get.
Make no mistake, I've owned several firearms down through the years.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:22 pm to Bronc
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
We may as well just accept the fact that we are barbarians.
We may as well just accept the fact that we are barbarians.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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At this point only draconian confiscation of private property and draconian violation of civil rights by locking up crazy people would make a dent.
I applaud you for recognizing that only drastic measures could potentially make a difference. Many on your side are unwilling to do so.
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But we value individual liberties and 2nd Amendment protections over the welfare of the society. That is to say, the individual trumps the community.
"We" have always valued individual liberties over safety. The 2nd Amendment is only one of many examples of this. This country could be an incredibly safe place if we discarded individual liberties. Most don't view that as a price worth paying.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I suspect the issue is you don't value the individual liberties enumerated in the 2nd amendment as much as those enumerated in the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 14th, etc.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:32 pm to GWM
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As for my accusations towards video games, and violent music, numerous studies have been done and they overwhelmingly support my accusations.
What exactly are your accusations towards video games and violent music?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:38 pm to UpToPar
Makings guns harder to obtain would make a difference. I realize im not going to be agreed with but im talking about make them harder for somebody under the age of say 21. Atleast for school shootings they would. Im not sure what you do about just mass shootings in general
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:39 pm to UpToPar
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Many on your side are unwilling to do so.
I don't have a side.
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"We" have always valued individual liberties over safety.
I have too.
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This country could be an incredibly safe place if we discarded individual liberties. Most don't view that as a price worth paying.
That's why I'm saying it looks like we're just going to have to live with the mass murder of our children, like barbarians.
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I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I suspect the issue is you don't value the individual liberties
Then don't fricking put words in my mouth about what I value and what I don't.
I could just as easily say you don't value the lives of children over the ownership of firearms.
As I've said ITT already, I've owned many firearms down through the years. I appreciate the protections the 2nd Amendment gives us - although, like all the protections in the Bill of Rights, I don't see the 2nd as absolute.
But the Constitution can change. There may come a time in the future where Americans decide they no longer acknowledge bearing arms as a fundamental right, and remove that protection from the Constitution.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:41 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But we value individual liberties and 2nd Amendment protections over the welfare of the society.
You have yet to answer why mass shootings have become frequent only in the past 20 or so years, when we as a nation have had firearms our entire history.
Confiscate every single gun in this country, and nothing will change.
We'll just get much, much more of this:
and this
Then what? We start banning cars and pressure cookers?
You people don't get it. Take away one tool, someone will use another.
Mass murders are rare in other countries not because of strict gun laws. They're rare because their media and population don't make these people into instant celebrities.
I mean FFS we had this:
Dude kills people with a bomb, and gets on the cover of Rolling Stone.
THAT is what's fricking wrong with this country. Not too many guns.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:43 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Freedom is not barbaric.
We may as well just accept the fact that we are barbarians.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:45 pm to Taxing Authority
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Freedom is not barbaric.
It is to a statist.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:46 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Can we all not agree it should be much more difficult to get a hold of a gun if it’s documented you are mentally unstable ?
The current administration thinks any Trump supporter is mentally unstable. Does that answer your question.
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