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re: Scott Ritter on Ukraine and Finland joining NATO
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:36 pm to squid_hunt
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:36 pm to squid_hunt
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Since when has Finland needed help. They've been fighting off Russia since before the U.S. was a dirty thought in Spain's mind.
Not sure what you mean by Spain. And Finland ultimately lost territory to the Soviet Union. They signed a treaty of perpetual neutrality, which the USSR then respected, and Russia has as well. Joining NATO violates the treaty they signed.
There is no need to provoke Russia. Russia has announced it wants Ukraine and Finland as well as other states to be neutral. Why is this bad?
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Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:41 pm to JAGuyHeh
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There is no need to provoke Russia. Russia has announced it wants Ukraine and Finland as well as other states to be neutral. Why is this bad?
It is "bad" in the sense that under no circumstances do Russia's preferences rightfully dictate the foreign policy decisions of sovereign nations. Other countries not doing what you want them to do is simply not lawful justification for military aggression.
Once again, Finland and Sweden deciding, in their own prerogative, to join NATO, is demonstrably not "provoking" anything. Throughout NATO's entire existence, not one single member has ever threatened Russia or Russian territory in any meaningful way.
It is a land and power grab by Moscow. Nothing more.
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They signed a treaty of perpetual neutrality, which the USSR then respected, and Russia has as well.
And I am assuming you mean the treaty signed after Russian began yet another war of conquest with no legitimate basis and took Karelia from Finland?
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:46 pm to JAGuyHeh
Countries have the right to join organizations if they want to. Russia fricked it all up by invading Ukraine the way they did. If Putin had played it smart, sticking to Donbas region, sleepy Joe wouldn't have even noticed it.
Millie to Joe "Russia has invaded Donbas!"
Joe: "Trump says I am a dumbass"
Millie; "Yes you are, but Russia is invading the Donbas region of Ukraine."
Joe: "I think they are like whooping cranes, but I may be wrong. Where is my pudding cup?"
Millie to Joe "Russia has invaded Donbas!"
Joe: "Trump says I am a dumbass"
Millie; "Yes you are, but Russia is invading the Donbas region of Ukraine."
Joe: "I think they are like whooping cranes, but I may be wrong. Where is my pudding cup?"
Posted on 5/12/22 at 2:00 pm to JAGuyHeh
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Not sure what you mean by Spain.
Spain sent Columbus to the Americas?
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There is no need to provoke Russia.
Pretty sure Putin just proved there is a reason, but ultimately the decision lies with Finland, don't you think?
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Joining NATO violates the treaty they signed.
The treaty they signed at the end of a gun? Ok. Sure.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 2:28 pm to JAGuyHeh
quote:How does one "violate" a treaty with a country which no longer exists?
(Finland) signed a treaty of perpetual neutrality, which the USSR then respected .... Joining NATO violates the treaty they signed.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 3:15 pm to JAGuyHeh
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There is no need to provoke Russia. Russia has announced it wants Ukraine and Finland as well as other states to be neutral. Why is this bad?
Of course a sovereign state dictating the foreign policy terms to another sovereign state is bad. Are you retarded?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 6:41 pm to JAGuyHeh
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Russia has announced it wants
My question is why one sovereign country gets to dictate policy for another sovereign country.
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