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Is Jester a coward for diving below the hard deck during that first dogfight?
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:58 am to GetCocky11
Yes. Not willing to take the L so he pusses out.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:01 pm to GetCocky11
That part always really bothered me in the movie. Why didn't Jester get in trouble as well for going below the hard deck? I don't remember Viper telling him he broke a major rule of engagement
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:06 pm to GetCocky11
Jester should have been considered destroyed as soon as be broke the hard deck and Maverick awarded the points.
Jester had no chest.
Jester had no chest.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:07 pm to jchamil
He probably got a talking to in private from Viper.
Never berate your team leads in front of the troops.
Never berate your team leads in front of the troops.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:09 pm to GetCocky11
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:21 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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Mr. Miyagi kicked his arse also:
So did Major Payne
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:24 pm to GetCocky11
No, Jester was not a coward. He tested Maverick’s response to a real life danger that has killed many pilots - getting fixated on their targets and losing situational awareness. There was no excuse for Maverick to go below the hard deck once Jester died by doing so himself. Maverick learned a valuable lesson that day.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:30 pm to jchamil
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That part always really bothered me in the movie. Why didn't Jester get in trouble as well for going below the hard deck? I don't remember Viper telling him he broke a major rule of engagement
Because the rule was that there was to be no engagement below 10k. You can go under it, but you can't continue the dogfight under it.
You don't see it in action, but in Viper's dressing down later, he says "The hard deck for this hop was 10,000 feet. You knew it, you broke it. You followed Commander Heatherly below after he lost sight of you and called no joy."
In a nutshell, Jester felt like he couldn't see Mav/Goose went below 10k as a safety measure to avoid a possible collision. Once he got visual again, he was going to come back up and resume the fight, but Mav didn't allow it. He came down and engaged.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 1:00 pm to PJinAtl
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after he lost sight of you and called no joy."
In a nutshell, Jester felt like he couldn't see Mav/Goose went below 10k as a safety measure to avoid a possible collision.
Institutional BS. He was overmatched and pussed out.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 1:04 pm to PJinAtl
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In a nutshell, Jester felt like he couldn't see Mav/Goose went below 10k as a safety measure to avoid a possible collision.
I think he did it because he didn't want to lose to Maverick. Safety measure was a convenient excuse
Posted on 3/11/22 at 1:11 pm to GetCocky11
Hard deck is considered ground, so Jester would be dead. Maverick was an idiot to follow, but his pride forced him to pursue the actual kill. It would be like shooting a jet that was already a smoking heap on the ground.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 1:50 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:And Dottie dropped the ball on purpose.
Institutional BS. He was overmatched and pussed out.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 2:03 pm to GetCocky11
No. He was cheating because he was beaten.
"Coward"? Nobody who does that for a living is a coward.
"Coward"? Nobody who does that for a living is a coward.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 2:15 pm to GetCocky11
Jester completely pussied out and Maverick was 100% correct in chasing that pussy below the hard deck and finishing him off. There ain't no hard deck in real combat!!
Posted on 3/11/22 at 2:19 pm to chinese58
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And Dottie dropped the ball on purpose.
You’re damn right she did.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 2:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
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And Dottie dropped the ball on purpose.
You’re damn right she did.
I'll see you both at the Sonic in an hour
Posted on 3/11/22 at 3:13 pm to udtiger
After Mav and Goose leave, Viper says, “He got you, though. Didn’t he?”
Jester knew he got beat and broke the rules, too. Viper calls him out on that.
Jester knew he got beat and broke the rules, too. Viper calls him out on that.
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