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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:36 pm to doubleb
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:36 pm to doubleb
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There was no check off on my income tax firm allowing me to give more tax dollars to Ukraine.
General treasury. Do it. The nation is broke, they need you to save poor Ukranians.
Pay up
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:39 pm to cypher
quote:More goodwill gestures from Russia. They are digging through their old Soviet stockpiles to terrorize civilians. Lashing out because Odessa , like Kyiv, won't fall so easily.
Russian Federation (RF) air forces launched at least three more massive Kh-22 anti-ship missiles at ground targets in Ukraine’s southern Odesa Region on Friday, July 1, hitting an apartment building and a seaside resort, and killing at least 19 civilians, Serhiy Bratchuk, the head of the Odesa regional defense command, said in a July 1 statement.
Kyiv Post
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:41 pm to sugar71
Some of those billions could be of use to help secure our borders.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:42 pm to sugar71
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More goodwill gestures from Russia. They are digging through their old Soviet stockpiles to terrorize civilians. Lashing out because Odessa , like Kyiv, won't fall so easily.
Putin can't stop the Ghost of Ukraine! For a weekly donation of $19.99 billion dollars, Putin will be gone for good!
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Old sugar britches is a moron. If you don't support deficit spending in Ukraine, you have to be a Putin slurper!
He's a legit idiot. Its clear these rubes are incapable of understanding nuance or the area between two extremes.
That’s s straw man, you cxx as n support Ukraine and be against a 40 Billion dollar aid package.
But I do think it’s ridiculous to say that if we didn’t spend 40 Billion on Ukraine, we could fix our highways, build a border wall, help our vets, lower our taxes or anything of the sort. Biden isn’t going to do anything like that.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:44 pm to crazy4lsu
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any Eastern European nation join NATO against their will?
You are really gullible. You have zero clue about our own Government and CIA do you.
America is the greatest country in the history of this planet but our government has overthrown and undermined other countries for decades. We pushed and pushed and pushed to get Putin to do something that makes him look like the aggressor. The whole damn conflict is because of our secret CIA programs and you're a low I Q moron to think otherwise.
Fact The United States fought the War of Tripoli because a hungover Navy captain ran his ship aground on a sandbar and told Washington that pirates attacked him.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:44 pm to doubleb
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That’s s straw man,
No, you said something really dumb.
You don't understand the middle ground. All you know is propaganda. This is Europe's war, not ours. But here we are.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:44 pm to dchog
Spending $72 billion on Ukraine aid to generate ~ $50 billion in kickbacks to the elite is more effective than remediating the homeless problem in major American cities IMO.
Mitt Romneys great great grandchildren are not necessarily ALL set for life right now, and there will be close to 100 of them.
Mitt Romneys great great grandchildren are not necessarily ALL set for life right now, and there will be close to 100 of them.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:44 pm to dchog
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Some of those billions could be of use to help secure our borders.
On what planet do you live on?
Our borders are like Swiss Cheese because of Biden and the Democrats, and not because of a lack of money.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:45 pm to SirWinston
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~ $50 billion in kickbacks to the elite
Exactly what this is. Grift.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:48 pm to doubleb
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and not because of a lack of money.
The money going to Ukraine is no different. Will be absorbed by the Wealthy Americans who have interests in Ukraine.
Our government doesn't understand the economics. They only understand the politics.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You don't understand the middle ground. All you know is propaganda. This is Europe's war, not ours. But here we are.
I know we guaranteed to help Ukraine if they gave up their nukes. They gave up their nukes. Now they are in trouble.
I know Reagan felt we could spend our opponent into bankruptcy rather than fight them. Snd yes I believe Reagan and not Roger the Shrubber..
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:48 pm to OMLandshark
The whole concept is the US is putting money instead of soldiers to help weaken Russia.
What do you think would happen if we didn’t give money?
Russia would take over all of Ukraine. Their army would grow as well as there power. You assume they would stop at Ukraine? Eventually NATO will be pulled in and actually Americans would be called to a real war and would die and we would spend billions anyways.
Your mindset is so shortsighted.
Real question. If USA never got involved and let Russia take Ukraine what do you think would be Russias end game?
What do you think would happen if we didn’t give money?
Russia would take over all of Ukraine. Their army would grow as well as there power. You assume they would stop at Ukraine? Eventually NATO will be pulled in and actually Americans would be called to a real war and would die and we would spend billions anyways.
Your mindset is so shortsighted.
Real question. If USA never got involved and let Russia take Ukraine what do you think would be Russias end game?
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:51 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, being concerned about nuclear war makes you a pussy.
Again, where's the limit for Russian security concerns? Because that is directly related to 'being concerned about nuclear war.' You can screech about the money that we are spending, but that still doesn't address the malleability of Russian security, which they will bend to justify anything. It becomes a vicious circle where the Russians and how they behave is never in question. They act inappropriately, which drives the security concerns of their near neighbors to join a defense pact, and then the Russians complain about their security, whereupon they can justify literally everything without so much as a response. They can seemingly violate agreements such as the Founding Act signed in 1997 between NATO and Russia and act in bad faith, as Putin did with Macron in the lead-up to this invasion. There's no line that they aren't willing to cross.
Already, we've had people suggest Russian interference in Ukraine is okay, but somehow any US interference is an example of our continued evil. Apparently nothing the Russians do is actually concerning. If victory in Ukraine is assured, and there is nothing the US can do, the long-term calculus is going to be far more expensive than 57 billion.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:51 pm to TigerMan327
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whole concept is the US is putting money instead of soldiers to help weaken Russia.
Hook, Line and Sinker. There are extremely gullible posters on here that think they know the reality of the world but are really sheep.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:52 pm to SOSFAN
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Hook, Line and Sinker. There are extremely gullible posters on here that think they know the reality of the world but are really sheep.
The saddest part about all of this is that they STILL think we're getting a good deal out of all this tax rape and money laundering.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:52 pm to SOSFAN
What do you, a free thinker, think Russia’s end game is?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:53 pm to doubleb
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I know we guaranteed to help Ukraine if they gave up their nukes.
The US paid Russia for Ukraine to give up its nukes. The reason, Ukraine was in terrible economic condition and did it for the money.
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When Ukrainian-Russian negotiations on removing these weapons from Ukraine appeared to break down in September 1993, the U.S. government engaged in a trilateral process with Ukraine and Russia. The result was the Trilateral Statement, signed in January 1994, under which Ukraine agreed to transfer the nuclear warheads to Russia for elimination. In return, Ukraine received security assurances from the United States, Russia and Britain; compensation for the economic value of the highly-enriched uranium in the warheads
This is Europes war, not Joe Bidens. That was 30 years ago.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The huge increase is more about less refining capacity, not oil supply. WTI is not what most of what is produced in West Texas.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:59 pm to TigerMan327
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think Russia’s end game is?
Doesn't matter. Its not our war. Its Europe's problem.
Most of us are tired of funding european military concerns.
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