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Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:34 am to deltaland
The tax rate is a flat 13%. Interests rates are pretty high. For example, buying an apartment the average rate is around 10%, but if you have a kid it's 5.3%.
This post was edited on 2/19/22 at 11:40 am
Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:40 am to NewGrad1212
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The major difference is the police will profile.
That’s pretty much everywhere outside the US.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:51 am to sta4ever
From my limited exposure to Russia, it seems like things are pretty good if you live in one of the cities but if you live in the smaller cities and towns in the rural areas you are forgotten about.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 7:08 pm to N2daWild
Are they like 15 years, or a few years behind the West?
Posted on 2/19/22 at 7:12 pm to sta4ever
I have several good Russian friends I met while living overseas. They are back in Russia now. According to them, wages are pretty shitty, thats why they were living overseas. They live in St Petersburg and Moscow so they make better money than provincial towns and they're living seem pretty normal. My friend had a cancer scare and only had to pay a pretty big chunk of her income to get it taken care of. The USSR is long gone and services now cost a good bit. They personally don't care for Putin, but I think hes too busy looting the state coffers with his oligarch buddies to really do anything that really effects regular people. There does seem to be a lot of nostalgia for the USSR though.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 8:02 pm to NewGrad1212
Stray thoughts
Moscow is incredibly clean. There’s no litter, anywhere. People are also very polite, and very generous. I was struck by the way even a shop owner would treat you like a guest in their home.
The food is wonderful.
The police don’t leave their sirens blaring. They turn them on, briefly, to clear traffic. And then shut them down.
You do see a disparity in wealth.
The inner ring of Moscow is a different world from the outer rings, old and beautiful buildings, and so much more money.
The GUM shopping center makes me think of Galleries Lafayette in Paris.
The security presence was muted. I hardly saw anyone around the Kremlin for example. I have a memory of one truck come through the gate, with three soldiers sitting in the back.
Everyone was very relaxed.
When I was there it was election week and I did see a handful special police in riot gear, waiting to fight demonstrators (according to my girlfriend.)
They were standing around a statue of Pushkin, but it was 01:00, and there wasn’t a soul in sight, so either it was overkill, or they expected young men to show up from bars eventually. I didn’t feel any tension though. It was odd.
Moscow is an incredibly safe city. You could feel it.
It’s also beautiful, between the parks, the Moscow river, which winds through the city, and the center ring, with old the old Tsarist era buildings.
When you leave the city, it gets rural very quickly. And it gets much less developed.
There’s a massive concentration of wealth and investment in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. The countryside is quite poor.
Corruption also gets worse the further you get from the big cities. One of my friends had a small but successful technology startup in Tatarstan. The mayor of his small town told him, either you sell your company to me, or I’ll take it.
He sold it for a fraction of its value.
His sorry reminded me of what you read in 19th century Russian fiction.
I suspect Russia is probably what it was 300 years ago. With a veneer of modernity applied on top. Society hasn’t changed much though.
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Russia made me homesick for the America of my childhood. I was struck by the way people reminded me of how we used to be.
One of my mentors in school was an ex Soviet diplomat. I remember that he said once that we were similar.
There are differences though. The Russians have a consideration for other people that we don’t have. I won’t say they’re communal, like the Japanese or Chinese, they’re not, but the respect and recognition of other people is very different.
I was always treated as a person, and that was very important to the Russians who were interacting with me.
Moscow is incredibly clean. There’s no litter, anywhere. People are also very polite, and very generous. I was struck by the way even a shop owner would treat you like a guest in their home.
The food is wonderful.
The police don’t leave their sirens blaring. They turn them on, briefly, to clear traffic. And then shut them down.
You do see a disparity in wealth.
The inner ring of Moscow is a different world from the outer rings, old and beautiful buildings, and so much more money.
The GUM shopping center makes me think of Galleries Lafayette in Paris.
The security presence was muted. I hardly saw anyone around the Kremlin for example. I have a memory of one truck come through the gate, with three soldiers sitting in the back.
Everyone was very relaxed.
When I was there it was election week and I did see a handful special police in riot gear, waiting to fight demonstrators (according to my girlfriend.)
They were standing around a statue of Pushkin, but it was 01:00, and there wasn’t a soul in sight, so either it was overkill, or they expected young men to show up from bars eventually. I didn’t feel any tension though. It was odd.
Moscow is an incredibly safe city. You could feel it.
It’s also beautiful, between the parks, the Moscow river, which winds through the city, and the center ring, with old the old Tsarist era buildings.
When you leave the city, it gets rural very quickly. And it gets much less developed.
There’s a massive concentration of wealth and investment in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. The countryside is quite poor.
Corruption also gets worse the further you get from the big cities. One of my friends had a small but successful technology startup in Tatarstan. The mayor of his small town told him, either you sell your company to me, or I’ll take it.
He sold it for a fraction of its value.
His sorry reminded me of what you read in 19th century Russian fiction.
I suspect Russia is probably what it was 300 years ago. With a veneer of modernity applied on top. Society hasn’t changed much though.
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Russia made me homesick for the America of my childhood. I was struck by the way people reminded me of how we used to be.
One of my mentors in school was an ex Soviet diplomat. I remember that he said once that we were similar.
There are differences though. The Russians have a consideration for other people that we don’t have. I won’t say they’re communal, like the Japanese or Chinese, they’re not, but the respect and recognition of other people is very different.
I was always treated as a person, and that was very important to the Russians who were interacting with me.
This post was edited on 2/20/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 2/19/22 at 8:08 pm to deltaland
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How is economic freedom in Russia as far as taxes, regs, access to capital?
Do you still have to have good connections or can any citizen start a business with the proper motivation and good decisions as long as they can get a loan or investment?
Based on my anecdotal experience, you need a sponsor in the government.
We have that issue here, but I think it’s much worse in Russia.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 8:08 pm to sta4ever
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Are their citizens under strict tyrannical rule or is it a more laxed dictatorship? Are they a mostly poor nation?
Moscow and St Petersburg have nice parts but most of Russia looks like North BR but with slavic inhabitants.
ETA: It’s also corrupt and the winters are cold.
This post was edited on 2/19/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 2/19/22 at 8:12 pm to Lima Whiskey
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When I was there it was election week and I did see a handful special police in riot gear, waiting to fight demonstrators (according to my girlfriend.)
Are there anything like open elections where anyone can run and win, or is everything pre-rigged? And, can people actually demonstrate, or do the kind of police you mention make sure that doesn't happen?
Posted on 2/19/22 at 9:03 pm to sta4ever
All I know of Russia is what I have seen on Chaturbate….it looks like a pretty nice place to me.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 9:24 pm to Spankum
Are students free to pick a career? For example, can a smart kid decide between medicine, law, or engineering school? Or are professions limited by the state? What is the college admission process like? Does the government provide college?
thanks! fascinating topic! Good job OP.
thanks! fascinating topic! Good job OP.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 9:32 pm to sta4ever
I've meet a couple of born and raised russians who were in the US military. They are very funny and have tons of stories about growing up there. They are very happy to now be American.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 10:48 pm to SCLibertarian
Every time I see one of your posts I’m impressed by how stupid you sound
Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:07 pm to sta4ever
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Can they watch American news, or is it strictly Russian propaganda? I’m just curious if they’re more tyrannical than we realize.
The propaganda here is worse than anything I read about in history
Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:12 pm to LarryCLE
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Slightly less tyrannical than Canada.
Those truckers blockade Moscow and they be no more.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:15 pm to Zappas Stache
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Those truckers blockade Moscow and they be no more.
Is Moscow trying to force everyone to take an ineffective, experimental drug or lose their livelihoods?
Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:16 pm to sta4ever
We’re ruled by a brain-dead dementia patient fake president and his cabal of shite garbage, so I wonder what the frick they think of us.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:17 pm to sta4ever
Probably very tyrannical with state sponsored media…so basically the USA with worse graphics and slightly more freedom.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 11:17 pm to Zappas Stache
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Those truckers blockade Moscow and they be no more.
Liking Putin sometimes when they aren't meddling in our elections must be very confusing to you progressives
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