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Who owes all that student debt? And who’d benefit if it were forgiven?

Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:08 am
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:08 am
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Student debt is a big issue in the 2020 presidential campaign for an obvious reason: There’s a lot of it—about $1.5 trillion, up from $250 billion in 2004. Students loans are now the second largest slice of household debt after mortgages, bigger than credit card debt. About 42 million Americans (about one in every eight) have student loans, so this is a potent issue among voters, particularly younger ones.



Q. How many student loan borrowers are in default?
A. The highest default rates are among students who attended for-profit institutions. The default rate within five years of leaving school for undergrads who went to for-profit schools was 41% for two-year programs and 33% for four-year programs. In comparison, the default rate at community colleges was 27%; at public four-year schools, 14%, and at private four-year schools, 13%.

Put differently, out of 100 students who ever attended a for-profit, 23 defaulted within 12 years of starting college in 1996 compared to 43 among those who started in 2004. In contrast, out of 100 students who attended a non-profit school, the number of defaulters rose from 8 to 11 in the same time period. In short, the government has been lending a lot of money to students who went to low-quality programs that they didn’t complete, or that didn’t help them get a well-paying job, or were outright frauds.

Q. Which student loan borrowers are most likely to default?
A. According to research by Judy Scott-Clayton of Columbia University, Black graduates with a bachelor’s degree default at five times the rate of white bachelor’s graduates—21% compared with 4%. Among all college students who started college in 2003–04 (including borrowers and non-borrowers), 38% of Black students defaulted within 12 years, compared to 12% of white students.


Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
7844 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:11 am to
Make no mistake our tax dollars will be paying it just so these dumbasses can have more “walking around money”
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:19 am to
You mean a degree from the Online University of Eastern Northwestern Vermont Valley Institute might not be a good investment?
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
17126 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:20 am to
The student loan debt forgiveness plan will be used when needed by politicians to buy votes.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:26 am to
Since blacks are much more likely to default on their loans, democrats will float a plan to forgive black student loan debt. Book it.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
7844 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:36 pm to
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The student loan debt forgiveness plan will be used when needed by politicians to buy votes.


And then after they get the votes just back out like they just did lmao
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103094 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:39 pm to
A degree from Burlington College was sure a bad investment while Bernie’s wife was there.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53555 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:41 pm to
I remember in the mid to late 90’s all the push for young people to get there asses in college to prepare for the new technological economy. Well a shite load of young skulls of mush took the advice but they forgot STEM courses and degrees are required for the economy of today. Yeah, those HR degrees with gender studies ain’t cutting it.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:42 pm to
But you have to follow your dreeems!

Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25744 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:44 pm to
Follow the numbers, don’t loan black people money to go to for profit colleges.

Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4153 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:46 pm to
I mean of course the poorest demographic in the US will have a higher default rate. Most black ppl don't have a generational wealth to fall back on when in dire need.

We know the most effective way to raise a population out of poverty is education, so sending more poor ppl to college will help in the long run because they will begin to grow the base. I truly believe black millennials are the foundation for the black community--the first group of blacks that has had truly free reign in the US economy and education system.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
19761 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:52 pm to
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Student debt……There’s a lot of it—about $1.5 trillion, up from $250 billion in 2004.


Thanks, Obama!
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33792 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:53 pm to
Student loans at for-profit and private colleges should be capped at the average public school tuition in that state.

Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
7118 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:54 pm to
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The student loan debt forgiveness plan will be used when needed by politicians to buy votes.


The majority of people that would have debts forgiven probably already vote for dems. If they want to pay off my remaining debt, I won't bitch about it and I will continue to vote for Trump, DeSantis, etc. In my case though, I have actually paid way more in taxes than an amount that would be forgiven. I imagine that not to be the case for most that would benefit from this.
Not really following any details on this though, would it be considered as income? At the very least it should be.
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:57 pm to
I was the first one in my family to go to college on a state trooper/carpenter dad’s salary. We paid mine off, those leeches can pay theirs, too.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33792 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:59 pm to
The people swindled by Grand Canyon Valley State online school will be pissed when a bunch of doctors and lawyers have their debts erased.

Also, wouldn’t be surprised to see their debts not forgiven.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
36841 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:02 pm to
I am totally against any kind of loan forgiveness. Poor choices and the kid's probable first introduction to business world and many failed the test.
But, before any discussion that takes place regarding loan forgiveness is what's the plan going forward. Does the student loan program go away or does it continue and kids borrow way more money than they need because they know it will eventually be forgiven. Schools should be on the hook for some of this as tuition has outstripped inflation and likely due to the student loan program. How is it fair for those who borrowed money but paid it back? How about us that set aside money for school so the kids wouldn't have to use student loans? Do I get some money back because we were fortunate enough to avoid student loans? This is an absolute rabbit hole that we do not need to go down. Who actually owns the debt? How do they get made whole if the debt is forgiven? So many questions to my knowledge have not been answered. It sucks for everybody regardless of the road map we take.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62138 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:07 pm to
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I am totally against any kind of loan forgiveness.


Why?

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How is it fair for those who borrowed money but paid it back? How about us that set aside money for school so the kids wouldn't have to use student loans? Do I get some money back because we were fortunate enough to avoid student loans? This is an absolute rabbit hole that we do not need to go down.


There's no need to go down what you think is a rabbit hole. Why would you get anything if you don't have the debt?
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16936 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:08 pm to
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Student loans at for-profit and private colleges should be capped at the average public school tuition in that state.


I love this idea.

I also think that these for profit institutions/Private universities should be guarantors of the loans. They think their tuition is worth 5 times a public university education they should put their money where their mouths are.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53555 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:08 pm to
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mean of course the poorest demographic in the US will have a higher default rate. Most black ppl don't have a generational wealth to fall back on when in dire need.

We know the most effective way to raise a population out of poverty is education, so sending more poor ppl to college will help in the long run because they will begin to grow the base. I truly believe black millennials are the foundation for the black community--the first group of blacks that has had truly free reign in the US economy and education system.



No problem with any of this ^^^^ But if you decide to seek higher education and sign off on student loans of 50-60-70 thousand dollars or more tell me why the American people should be stuck with the bill? Because that’s what some people are proposing?
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