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re: Denbrock, Kelly lacks self awareness

Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:00 am
Posted by Florida Horn
Member since Dec 2021
30 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:00 am
Brian Kelly did an excellent job rebuilding ND after the 2016 4-8 debacle. Lest people think I'm some sort of Kelly hater or jilted ex, I will repeat that, he did an EXCELLENT job his last 5 years at ND. He is, however, a flawed coach in many ways, and he's not anywhere close to being on the same level as Meyer or Saban.

During Kelly's 12 years at ND, the weakest facet of the team was almost always the facet Kelly was most directly involved with, QB play and the passing game. QB is also the position that is probably least affected by admissions or academics, so that excuse doesn't really carry water. Kelly cycled through, if memory serves, 6 OCs (including Denbrock for 1 mediocre year), and the results were always the same. The OL could maul most teams on the schedule, but anytime ND played defenses with equal athletes, the offense couldn't throw more than 10 yards down field. The one constant was always Kelly and his rinky dink passing scheme. That Cincinnati/Bama game looked eerily familiar yesterday.

That brings me to Kelly's self awareness. At ND, he was always pushing the administration for improvements to the football program, admissions exceptions, facilities, recruiting budget, you name it, and for the most part, he got what he asked for. The ND admin is typically slow to react, so this was a good and necessary thing by Kelly. He put every aspect of the program under the microscope, but he never seemed to appreciate that the aspect of the program that most directly had his fingerprints on it could be a weak link of the team. The hiring of Denbrock leads me to believe that he still doesn't recognize this. If he were a young coach trying to rebuild a mid-tier ACC school like Va Tech or BC, then I get why you go with a known, even if unspectacular, quantity like Denbrock. Kelly, however, is in the twilight of his career and has accomplished every thing in the sport except for a national title. In this scenario, I'm mystified why he'd go back to the well with Denbrock. The only plausible explanation is that Kelly is simply incapable of looking in the mirror and accepting that he could possibly be part of the problem.
Posted by biggdogg
United States
Member since May 2008
1864 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:09 am to
So you think Kelly is Lesmiles2.0,aight
Posted by msizzle08
Member since Dec 2019
651 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:10 am to
We just got into 2022 in you're melting already. Have a cup of joe and pipe down man.
Posted by CoachOBeach
Orange Beach
Member since Dec 2021
69 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:12 am to
That is a great post, Florida Horn.

Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
39830 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:14 am to
quote:

QB is also the position that is probably least affected by admissions or academics, so that excuse doesn't really carry water.


Now do WR
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:16 am to
Hmm. Two posters with December 2021 join dates and under 20 posts each are in agreement with each other. Ok. Then.
Posted by TeamCKennedy
Southern Illinois Baws
Member since Feb 2018
1511 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:18 am to
What QB recruit did Kelly have at ND to develop? Only 1 decent QB. He turned him into the most winningest QB in ND history. Ian Book was smart but very flawed. Give Kelly LSU talent at WR and RB and let's see what happens.
Posted by RidiculousHype
The Hatch
Member since Sep 2007
10673 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:18 am to
You’re missing one big piece of this puzzle homie


Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
19543 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:19 am to
quote:

Hmm. Two posters with December 2021 join dates and under 20 posts each are in agreement with each other. Ok. Then.


Yep. Got a feeling he’s agreeing with himself.
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
11881 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:19 am to
quote:

Now do WR

Thank you. OP thinks QB is supposed to be great no matter the talent around him. You think the ND skill guys could match up across the board with Bama’s or UGA’s skill guys last night? Don’t overthink this. Brian Kelly came to LSU for that reason.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19507 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:21 am to
quote:

That is a great post, Florida Horn.


Holy crap, agreeing with yourself. This is too much
Posted by Florida Horn
Member since Dec 2021
30 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:22 am to
At ND Kelly had at least a half dozen tight ends get drafted and probably the same or more for receivers. I can think of two first round WRs off the top of my head. He had weapons, but I would definitely expect him to have more at LSU.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
19543 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:23 am to
1. Not reading all that shite. Your thread title proves you’re a dumbass.

2. I’ll trust a decorated long-term success coach like Brian Kelly over some message board jack leg who thinks he’s qualified to dig into CBK’s “self awareness.”

3. Be more creative. “CoachOBeach” is a dumb username for the alter you picked to agree with yourself.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
13307 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:23 am to
Have a cup of joe
—-and make it decaf
Posted by honeybadger07
The Woodlands
Member since Jul 2015
3726 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:26 am to
Sweet take….go do something useful with ur life now.
Posted by Florida Horn
Member since Dec 2021
30 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:28 am to
quote:

What QB recruit did Kelly have at ND to develop? Only 1 decent QB. He turned him into the most winningest QB in ND history. Ian Book was smart but very flawed. Give Kelly LSU talent at WR and RB and let's see what happens.



Dayne Crist, Gunner Kiel, and Phil Jurkovec are his most notable failures. In each case, Kelly went with dramatically less talented but more cerebral QBs.
Posted by LSURulzSEC
Lake Charles via Oakdale
Member since Aug 2004
79089 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:29 am to
quote:

lacks self awareness


yes you do...


quote:

he's not anywhere close to being on the same level as Meyer or Saban


Now what is one thing those coaches didn't have to deal with that Kelly did? Oh yeah, high academic requirements...

quote:

QB is also the position that is probably least affected by admissions or academics, so that excuse doesn't really carry water.


Wrong...






Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
39830 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:29 am to
In the NFL, Kelly has Claypool, Fuller, and St. Brown right now. That’s it. Compare that to LSU
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
9062 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:35 am to
Now do Kelly at Cincy.
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3353 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 8:39 am to
quote:

2. I’ll trust a decorated long-term success coach like Brian Kelly over some message board jack leg who thinks he’s qualified to dig into CBK’s “self awareness.”


Exactly. I know every school/message board has these experts, but, damn, TD sure has an over abundance of them.
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