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re: Omicron cannot escape T cells
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:04 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:04 am to Y.A. Tittle
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In the US?
Yeah. Hell the hospitals here were denying normal care and delaying surgical care during the spread last winter about a year ago, long after the initial surge that did the same thing.
If you went to the hospital, you had to wait in your car outside.
I know that NYC and other areas hit hard initially had to reduce their non-CV patient populations.
It comes and goes, but there are acute shortages of medical resources when spread takes off.
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:05 am to the808bass
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Why in the frick do we need a one-sized fits all governmental policy?
That's literally what's being bitched about in this thread. Not having a policy for prior infection to promote via government and media.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:06 am to the808bass
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So you know what the issue is, but you pretend you didn’t.
Their claim was that people who understand immunology don’t acknowledge natural T cell immunity. They then deflected and claimed that POLICY didn’t reflect that acknowledgement, and I merely pointed out at that point we’re talking about two separate things.
My only point was that it’s a myth that people who understand T and B cell immunity genuinely don’t believe that natural infection induces them robustly.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
How are you so slow on this?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:06 am to Privateer 2007
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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Nobody has ever ignored T cell effects on the virus with Covid
After almost 2 years of this Covid19 mess I have literally not heard a single major media outlet mention "T-Cell's" once...
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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but there are acute shortages of medical resources when flu season takes off.
Fify
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:09 am to Roger Klarvin
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My only point was that it’s a myth that people who understand T and B cell immunity genuinely don’t believe that natural infection induces them robustly.
When Fauci has been asked about natural immunity under oath, he doesn’t answer and acts like it is a completely unknown, unproven concept.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah. Hell the hospitals here were denying normal care and delaying surgical care during the spread last winter about a year ago, long after the initial surge that did the same thing.
If you went to the hospital, you had to wait in your car outside.
Was that due to being “overrun” or more because of overwrought precautions due to numerous unknown factors over what they were dealing with?
Maybe that’s something of a distinction without a difference, but it clearly seems they have a better handle on what they’re dealing with, such that it has to be a substantially less risk.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:10 am to the808bass
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Why in the frick do we need a one-sized fits all governmental policy?
While I disagree with the one size fits all policy they went with, the fact that a one size fits all policy is needed is because most humans are morons who can’t follow complex or nuanced instructions well. Our society has frequently used help lines specifically dedicated to shite like correctly using electric can openers. 70% of insulin users don’t take their medication as directed and nearly half can’t tell you their dose off the top of their head. You think that society will handle complex and varied medical instructions regarding a pandemic well?
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:10 am to Y.A. Tittle
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more because of overwrought precautions due to numerous unknown factors over what they were dealing with?
Correct.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:11 am to klrstix
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I have literally not heard a single major media outlet mention "T-Cell's" once...
Have you been watching CNN or MSNBC?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:11 am to Roger Klarvin
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You think that society will handle complex and varied medical instructions regarding a pandemic well?
Let me check the CMS regs.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 9:12 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's not a governmental policy
I hear ya.
I suppose that is the libertarian in me trying to chime in.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:15 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Have you been watching CNN or MSNBC?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:17 am to the808bass
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How are you so slow on this?
If you're not arguing that CV19 created real, acute strain on hospital resources in specific areas, then you're not arguing honestly.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:17 am to Roger Klarvin
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You think that society will handle complex and varied medical instructions regarding a pandemic well?
No, but then again...
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varied medical instructions regarding a pandemic
is a MAJOR part of the problem.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 9:18 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
I’m not arguing that. (And that wasn’t the post to which I responded in this post you’re quoting.)
But acute care shortages happen all the time. If you want a government response every time it happens, you might be an authoritarian.
But acute care shortages happen all the time. If you want a government response every time it happens, you might be an authoritarian.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
So much strain that they started firing nurses for not being vaccinated.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:20 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Maybe that’s something of a distinction without a difference, but it clearly seems they have a better handle on what they’re dealing with, such that it has to be a substantially less risk.
Well that's why I brought up the second wave last winter and not the initial wave. The initial wave was a shite show and completely inefficient. Everything is getting better. Treatment, how they handle patients, etc.
But it's still a numbers game. When a wave comes, medical resources are at risk for a short period of time until it passes. That's the main variable that's trying to be controlled and it's for the non-covid medical issues that we will face day-to-day.
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