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Green jeans are awesome
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:28 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:28 am
Seen a few green jean posts, figured I’d share how good ole green jeans hooked me up with a federal misdemeanor.
Couple years ago I was deep into duck hunting. Before having kids I’d line up the vacation and hunt plenty. Working shift work also gave me some quiet days on the WMAs. I’d take the dog and we’d have some good hunts.
This is a Tuesday right before the split and I’m camping down on the Atchafalaya WMA. I’m solo camping, and I’ve got the only tent pitched on site. Now for perspective, this camp is a 20 mile boat ride from the nearest road. The local headquarters for the green jeans also shares this campsite. I’ve just started hunting this WMA since getting a bigger boat.
I make a morning hunt and shoot 5 ducks. Finish cleaning them, but leaving a wing for identification and bag them up. I take a sharpie date the bag and I put them in a ice chest on the screened porched of my tent. It’s one of them 2 part tents. The screen porch is actually covered and you can’t really see in it.
I eat some brunch, take a nap, then head out to do a little fishing. I come back to clean a couple catfish I caught and my ice chest is gone. “shite someone stole my ice chest.” So, I go to the game warden’s station that’s with 50 yards of my tent to report a stolen ice chest. Good ole green jeans surprises the shite out of me when he begins reading me my rights. Tells me I didn’t have my birds “tagged”. I thought I understood the tagging rule, and explained I had dated my ziploc bag and that they were in my tent (my possession). Ole green jeans informed me that the tent on public land doesn’t count and dating the bag isn’t using the tags you can print off from their website. So, I’m thinking ok my misunderstanding. I didn’t tag the birds, but I haven’t shot over my limit or broke any other law. Green jeans went looking for another infraction. Tears apart my boat, pulls the motor cover off, dumps the hunting bag on the deck, tosses all my decoys on the dock. I mean legit went after it looking for more ducks. I show him the rods and fish, but nahh that don’t matter. Anyways he writes me a ticket for not tagging the ducks, because he “has to”. He fully acknowledged it was a misunderstanding of the law, but this lil ole ticket won’t be any problem. He confiscates my damn ducks, which had a $25 disposal fee per bird and was complete bullshite.
There was a “pre-trial diversion” number he told me to call. I call these people and they are like yeah, we can get rid of this. The terms are 40 hours community service, meet with a counselor once a month for a year, and a $500 fine. I tell them to hell with that, I’ll just plead guilty.
I plead guilty because it’s the only thing I can do. Court costs run up over $1000 dollars after fines and court fees, and I got a federal misdemeanor on my record now.
TLDR. Just protecting the wildlife man…
Couple years ago I was deep into duck hunting. Before having kids I’d line up the vacation and hunt plenty. Working shift work also gave me some quiet days on the WMAs. I’d take the dog and we’d have some good hunts.
This is a Tuesday right before the split and I’m camping down on the Atchafalaya WMA. I’m solo camping, and I’ve got the only tent pitched on site. Now for perspective, this camp is a 20 mile boat ride from the nearest road. The local headquarters for the green jeans also shares this campsite. I’ve just started hunting this WMA since getting a bigger boat.
I make a morning hunt and shoot 5 ducks. Finish cleaning them, but leaving a wing for identification and bag them up. I take a sharpie date the bag and I put them in a ice chest on the screened porched of my tent. It’s one of them 2 part tents. The screen porch is actually covered and you can’t really see in it.
I eat some brunch, take a nap, then head out to do a little fishing. I come back to clean a couple catfish I caught and my ice chest is gone. “shite someone stole my ice chest.” So, I go to the game warden’s station that’s with 50 yards of my tent to report a stolen ice chest. Good ole green jeans surprises the shite out of me when he begins reading me my rights. Tells me I didn’t have my birds “tagged”. I thought I understood the tagging rule, and explained I had dated my ziploc bag and that they were in my tent (my possession). Ole green jeans informed me that the tent on public land doesn’t count and dating the bag isn’t using the tags you can print off from their website. So, I’m thinking ok my misunderstanding. I didn’t tag the birds, but I haven’t shot over my limit or broke any other law. Green jeans went looking for another infraction. Tears apart my boat, pulls the motor cover off, dumps the hunting bag on the deck, tosses all my decoys on the dock. I mean legit went after it looking for more ducks. I show him the rods and fish, but nahh that don’t matter. Anyways he writes me a ticket for not tagging the ducks, because he “has to”. He fully acknowledged it was a misunderstanding of the law, but this lil ole ticket won’t be any problem. He confiscates my damn ducks, which had a $25 disposal fee per bird and was complete bullshite.
There was a “pre-trial diversion” number he told me to call. I call these people and they are like yeah, we can get rid of this. The terms are 40 hours community service, meet with a counselor once a month for a year, and a $500 fine. I tell them to hell with that, I’ll just plead guilty.
I plead guilty because it’s the only thing I can do. Court costs run up over $1000 dollars after fines and court fees, and I got a federal misdemeanor on my record now.
TLDR. Just protecting the wildlife man…
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:41 am to Athletix
That being said,
My friends oldest grew up to be a Texas GJ.
Good kid.
Saved an outboard trauma victim from amputation.
Family man.
Christian.
I hope he never becomes jaded and disillusioned.
My friends oldest grew up to be a Texas GJ.
Good kid.
Saved an outboard trauma victim from amputation.
Family man.
Christian.
I hope he never becomes jaded and disillusioned.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:41 am to Athletix
Sounds like I need to read up on the tagging regulations. That sucks though and I think many people would have put in less of an effort than what you did to attempt to follow the law.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:46 am to Datfish
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Sounds like I need to read up on the tagging regulations.
Most don’t know them but they aren’t too complicated. If you’re making one off hunts then heading home, you’ll be fine. Ducks stay in your possession until they hit the freezer.
After this incident, I printed out about 100 tags and would hand them out on the campsite each camping trip.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:10 am to Athletix
Guy sounds like he's lots of fun at parties. I have several friends that are GWs and all are very reasonable unless you're a jerk/lie to them. Your situation sounds like a doozy. I could understand maybe $2 or $300 fine but $1k is over the top especially when it's something as you describe not over the limit/out of season/bait, etc.
Very close friend of mine, in Texas, was just promoted to fisheries enforcement head. He's cool and would have just given a warning, Feds seem a different breed.
Very close friend of mine, in Texas, was just promoted to fisheries enforcement head. He's cool and would have just given a warning, Feds seem a different breed.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:19 am to Athletix
Game Warden pulled into camp yesterday. I told him I’d killed a deer. We visited and he never checked the deer or my liscense.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:19 am to Athletix
I am not seeing anything about tagging procedures on Louisiana WLF website other than the normal write all info on a ziploc bag. Can you link the new policy and procedures?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:24 am to LSUsmartass
WLF Website LINK
7th topic down.
He was storing them on public land. That's why this was made an issue.
7th topic down.
He was storing them on public land. That's why this was made an issue.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:27 am to LSUsmartass
Yeah, no doubt. I’m pretty sure I don’t know the full scope of what to do either lol
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:51 am to Athletix
I understand that a tagging mistake was made but I am more curious about probable cause that would have allowed him to run through your camp, including cooler, without your permission?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:55 am to Vlad
quote:GW likely observed OP cleaning and storing the birds.
understand that a tagging mistake was made but I am more curious about probable cause that would have allowed him to run through your camp, including cooler, without your permission?
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 8:56 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:57 am to dtett
quote:
He was storing them on public land. That's why this was made an issue.
Had a warden show up at our camp a couple years ago. Private land. A guy in our club had killed a deer quartered it and put in an ice chest with his name on it in the bed of his truck in the morning. He also had the harvest tag in the ice chest.
He left the camp to go dump guts and what not in a Ranger. When he got back the GW was there and wrote him a ticket for not putting a possession tag on the ice chest. Even tho it was in the back of his own truck.
Of course he called and the ticket was thrown out, but what a crock of bullshite.
Oh, and the GW had gotten there while no one was at the camp and had gone through everyone's trucks that were unlocked. Needless to say, we all lock them up now.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 9:00 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:07 am to White Bear
quote:
GW likely observed OP cleaning and storing the birds.
yep
a pile of feathers in your blind or boat is also enough for a search
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:12 am to Vlad
quote:
I am more curious about probable cause that would have allowed him to run through your camp, including cooler, without your permission?
Wardens have rights to search property and belongings more than any other branch of law enforcement. Probably the fact that he was the only person camping down there (at the Wax I'm assuming) made him an easy target.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:24 am to Athletix
quote:
I plead guilty because it’s the only thing I can do. Court costs run up over $1000 dollars after fines and court fees, and I got a federal misdemeanor on my record now.
That sounds like a shiddy move by DWF but why did you plead guilty when they offered you the pretrial diversion?
I get the time constraints but it sounded like a cheaper option and a way to keep a federal misdemeanor off your record.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:27 am to REB BEER
quote:
Wardens have rights to search property and belongings more than any other branch of law enforcement. Probably the fact that he was the only person camping down there (at the Wax I'm assuming) made him an easy target.
If I have hunters using my land, can a Game Warden enter my property over my objections to check on the hunters?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:38 am to Athletix
Never had a good experience with a game warden
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:40 am to shadowdancer
quote:
If I have hunters using my land, can a Game Warden enter my property over my objections to check on the hunters?
Yes
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:50 am to REB BEER
quote:
Yes
I assume that they cannot enter my land unless there are hunters out there.
Is the reason they can search based on the act of hunting itself?
If they come out and say "We want to see if anyone is hunting on your land" and you tell them "no," can they enter?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:57 am to shadowdancer
quote:
Ability to Search without a Warrant – In many states, such as Louisiana, game wardens are allowed to inspect locations and vehicles suspected of wildlife violations – with or without search warrants.
gamewarden.edu
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