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The Michigan high school shooter's parents are on the run (now arrested and in custody)
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:20 pm
Update: Parents of Michigan Shooting Suspect Arrested in Detroit, Police Say
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How is this going to end well for them?
Facing Charges, Parents of Michigan Shooting Suspect Are Now Fugitives
US Marshals announce reward, release wanted posters for James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of the accused Oxford HS (Michigan) shooter.
LINK
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How is this going to end well for them?
Facing Charges, Parents of Michigan Shooting Suspect Are Now Fugitives
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The gun was an early Christmas gift from his parents: a semiautomatic 9-millimeter Sig Sauer handgun. “My new beauty,” Ethan Crumbley, 15, called it.
The day after Thanksgiving, he and his father had gone together to a Michigan gun shop to buy it. He and his mother spent a day testing out the gun, which was stored unlocked in the parents’ bedroom. On Monday, when a teacher reported seeing their son searching online for ammunition, his mother did not seem alarmed.
“LOL I’m not mad at you,” Jennifer Crumbley texted her son. “You have to learn not to get caught.”
US Marshals announce reward, release wanted posters for James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of the accused Oxford HS (Michigan) shooter.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 12:52 pm
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:21 pm to hikingfan
Reporting they are turning themselves in supposedly.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:21 pm to hikingfan
Wow that was fast
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:22 pm to hikingfan
They could turn themselves in now or a month from now. They are still going to prison for supplying a teenager with a handgun.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:22 pm to hikingfan
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I'm so tired of these notifications EVERY time I click a link to a news website. The Advocate is the worst.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:28 pm to hikingfan
They are claiming they weren't fleeing just worried people would come after them.
Either way they are returning.
They are going to be charged for all of this it seems. Sounds like they ignored all the warnings.
Either way they are returning.
They are going to be charged for all of this it seems. Sounds like they ignored all the warnings.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:37 pm to hikingfan
Seeing this article that shows the timeline of everything, how do you send your kid back to class after that meeting?
Timeline of Oxford Shooting
Timeline of Oxford Shooting
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Tuesday, Nov. 30
Teacher reported a disturbing note on Ethan's desk, including the following:
Semiautomatic handgun pointing at a note: “The thoughts won’t stop, help me”
Bullet with “Blood everywhere” written above it
Drawing of a person appearing to be shot and bleeding
Notes reading, "My life is useless" and "The world is dead"
Parents are summoned to the school and Ethan is brought to the office
School counselor recommends Ethan is enrolled into counseling in the next 48 hours
Parents fail to inquire about the gun or search Ethan's backpack
School officials recommend that Ethan is sent home for the day; his parents refuse, and send him back to class
At 12:51 p.m., the shooting starts in the school
At 1:22 p.m., Jennifer texts Ethan, "Ethan, don't do it"
At 1:37 p.m., James calls 911 to report the gun missing and say he believes his son is the shooter
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:37 pm to PaperPaintball92
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They could turn themselves in now or a month from now. They are still going to prison for supplying a teenager with a handgun.
If you can go to prison for that then there’s millions of Americans testing their luck
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:39 pm to TigerInGrayton
It’s not just giving him the gun. The parents knew there was a decent possibility he would commit a mass shooting and not only did nothing to stop it but actively prevented the school from stopping it.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:41 pm to tigerfan88
That guy only mentioned giving him a gun so that’s what I was referring to
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:43 pm to RebelRye
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:43 pm to hikingfan
If we are going down this route, I can’t wait for hoodrat parents to go to jail too when their thug kids shoot people in the neighborhood.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:44 pm to hikingfan
Think I'd let her prosecute me a little...
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:45 pm to tigerfan88
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decent possibility
I know decent here means more than the average kid and you are correct, but the number of people in the United States with access to a gun thanks to a parent and are a danger to society is huge.
Yes they should be punished. The situation seems more like it would lead to civil suits
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:45 pm to RebelRye
If I was that teacher I’d be marching my arse to admin and asking why he wasn’t sent home.
In my district this:
Would’ve prompted admin to tell the parents he couldn’t return to school until he was seen and cleared by a mental health professional. Or we would offer to call in a mobile assessment.
It would have also prompted us to search his backpack ourselves. And if the parents refused to get him help, a CPS call would be coming. Security would’ve been called to remove them from the property (kid included) if they didn’t leave when we requested. There’d be no staying at school.
Lots of people going to get wrapped up in this. Parents included.
In my district this:
quote:
Semiautomatic handgun pointing at a note: “The thoughts won’t stop, help me” Bullet with “Blood everywhere” written above it Drawing of a person appearing to be shot and bleeding Notes reading, "My life is useless" and "The world is dead"
Would’ve prompted admin to tell the parents he couldn’t return to school until he was seen and cleared by a mental health professional. Or we would offer to call in a mobile assessment.
It would have also prompted us to search his backpack ourselves. And if the parents refused to get him help, a CPS call would be coming. Security would’ve been called to remove them from the property (kid included) if they didn’t leave when we requested. There’d be no staying at school.
Lots of people going to get wrapped up in this. Parents included.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:46 pm to RebelRye
they belong in prison for a very long time
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:48 pm to hikingfan
This would be why they are being charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 4:48 pm to TomBuchanan
It’s more the meeting the day of with the school after finding the note threatening to shoot the school up.
Not only at that point failing to bring up that they had bought him a gun but also preventing the school from sending home.
The other stuff is bad but I agree, it would probably be too much of a Pandora’s box to prosecute. But the facts surrounding that meeting, if true, are pretty rare and warrants a charge at least, IMO.
Not only at that point failing to bring up that they had bought him a gun but also preventing the school from sending home.
The other stuff is bad but I agree, it would probably be too much of a Pandora’s box to prosecute. But the facts surrounding that meeting, if true, are pretty rare and warrants a charge at least, IMO.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:00 pm to tigerfan88
I'm no fan of these parents and I have no problem if they get in trouble for this. Irrespective of the criminal charges, they will likely be successfully sued in civil court. They will also very likely have to declare bankruptcy after a huge judgment is rendered against them. However, here is the problem with the criminal case. The school also allowed the kid to go back to class, and the school also failed to search his backpack. The ultimate decision for him to return to class was up to the school, not the parents. The school will also be sued and the local school bard will have to pay a huge settlement or judgment. For this reason, the prosecutor was mealy mouthed about how the school screwed up, while chastising the parents. The obvious defense argument will be if you think it was so criminally negligent to constitute manslaughter for the parents to send their kid back to class, why didn't the school stop it?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:04 pm to jimwnola
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However, here is the problem with the criminal case. The school also allowed the kid to go back to class, and the school also failed to search his backpack. The ultimate decision for him to return to class was up to the school, not the parents.
It depends on the district policy. We had a policy a couple years ago that went before our board that would’ve banned school personnel from searching student personal items. It was voted down but I’m pretty sure it’s something that’s gone before the court system before too. I can’t speak for Michigan, so if they were following district policy the district itself may be sued for shitty policy. As far as sending him home, that’s another potential policy issue.
And the ethical code in which the school counselor is bound. They could at the very least lose their license.
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