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Fueling electric vehicles costs roughly the equivalent of $17 a gallon: Study

Posted on 11/13/23 at 2:51 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 2:51 pm
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A new study found that fueling electric vehicles costs roughly $17 per gallon.

In its paper "Overcharged Expectations: Unmasking the True Costs of Electric Vehicles," the Texas Public Policy Foundation stipulated that the hidden costs of fueling EVs drastically outweigh its low upfront fueling costs. The hidden costs come from an increased burden on the energy grid exerted by charging stations, and an enormous amount of federal subsidies.

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"EV advocates claim that the cost of electricity for EV owners is equal to $1.21 per gallon of gasoline (Edison Electric Institute, 2021), but the cost of charging equipment and charging losses, averaged out over 10 years and 120,000 miles, is $1.38 per gallon equivalent on top of that. Adding the costs of the subsidies to the true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline," study authors Brent Bennett and Jason Isaac write.

"And these estimates do not include the hundreds of billions more in subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act (2022) for various aspects of the EV supply chain, particularly for battery manufacturing," they add. "It is not an overstatement to say that the federal government is subsidizing EVs to a greater degree than even wind and solar electricity generation and embarking on an unprecedented endeavor to remake the entire American auto industry."

Regulatory mandates were found to make up the highest chunk of the hidden costs.

The study also argues that hybrids are far more efficient than full EVs, but are ignored by the government.
Posted by geauxjuice
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 2:56 pm to
no it doesn't we did this last week
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 2:59 pm to
Poors like you sure are mad about EV’s.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 3:01 pm to
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The study also argues that hybrids are far more efficient than full EV


Should have been the goal all along.
Posted by B2BWWchamps
Jasper, FL
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 3:05 pm to
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The study also argues that hybrids are far more efficient than full EVs


Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112441 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 4:43 pm to
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Adding the costs of the subsidies to the true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline," study authors Brent Bennett and Jason Isaac write.




And people will believe that, that's the craziest part.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 4:58 pm to

FedGov needs to back off micro regulating vehicles and forcing the public to buy what they don't want.

We don't want kill switches and we don't need to be forced into EVs.
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:27 pm to
Not at my house. It costs 25% of my ice vehicles. 10.5 cents / kWh. Roughly $7/200 miles of driving. My jeep costs 2.75 x 12 = $33 for the same 200 miles.
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
7895 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:53 pm to
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Not at my house


Now factor in the invisible costs of mining and building the battery.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112441 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:53 pm to
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Now factor in the invisible costs of mining and building the battery.

What?

1. I pay exactly $0 for that, so I factored it in as $0, now what?

2. The article specifically says fueling electric vehicle costs $17 a gallon. Cost of mining and building the battery are not a cost for "fueling electric vehicles" so it doesn't even make sense


If you pay $50k for your ICE vehicle, let's go ahead and factor that into the cost of getting a gallon go gas, right? Why not, since we're making shite up.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
39619 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:57 pm to
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The article specifically says fueling electric vehicle costs $17 a gallon


Oh wow you can actually read
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
20490 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:00 pm to
How much for panels or do you just plug directly to your neighbors house?
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:02 pm to
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FedGov needs to back off micro regulating vehicles and forcing the public to buy what they don't want.


This is the correct take, but not the point OP was trying to make. She hates free markets and limited government.
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 7:02 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:08 pm to
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How much for panels or do you just plug directly to your neighbors house?


Solar has other uses, and isn't something I need to spend money on every single time I need to recharge batteries.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15010 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:26 pm to
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What? 1. I pay exactly $0 for that, so I factored it in as $0, now what?


Sure you pay for it. You’re paying for it through subsidies and inflation from increased borrowing and spending to pay for those subsidies.
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
20490 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:08 pm to
No but you had an initial outlay of funds, no?
Just a question so answer or not.
Tell you what, don’t answer. Congrats on being obtuse.
Posted by RedStickFox
Member since Sep 2022
297 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:28 pm to
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Not at my house

Yea. The only added costs i could legitamately think of for an EV after putchase would be a charging station and a battery replacement when needed. Im ignorant on battery replacements for EVs but the charging stations should be cheap. A typical 240V receptacle found behind some household appliances.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:31 pm to
Battery replacement can cost 10k or more. Not including labor.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:33 pm to
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No but you had an initial outlay of funds, no?


Sure, but that changes nothing about what I said. Even if overall cost was the only benefit (it isn't), I'd still come out ahead.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15117 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:35 pm to
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Battery replacement can cost 10k or more. Not including labor.

Right now. When most EVs will eventually need replacements it will be much different.
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