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If you were a member of the US Congress would you have vote Yea or Nay?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:42 am
The legislation that Hakeem Jeffries and McCarthy are so proud of in real terms does nothing to reduce the federal debt. You know the legislation is 100% Uniparty approved when Jeffries and McCarthy are back slapping each other......and no debt ceiling limit until after the 2024 GE.....nice. There was not one bit of that legislation that reduces mass illegal immigration through the remainder of Bumbling Biden's term. The House passing this debt ceiling legislation was the latest example of the Uniparty shoving their shite right under your snoot and telling you to take a big ol sniff. If you think the legislation is good for the American people and the constitutional republic give an up vote, if you think the legislation does little to stem out of control spending give a down vote.
I'm gonna be a hard no!!!!
I'm gonna be a hard no!!!!
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:44 am to Bass Tiger
No, and I hope Matt Gaetz starts the wheels in motion to remove McCarthy.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:44 am to Bass Tiger
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The legislation that Hakeem Jeffries and McCarthy are so proud of in real terms does nothing to reduce the federal debt
It's 4T (estimate that is uncapped) in spending that there's no way to pay for. Reduce?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:45 am to Bass Tiger
Nay.
But why would this have ever been part of the debt ceiling bill? I hate omnibus legislation. I want single issue bills, not poison pills or 5,000 page monstrosities that span 46 different topics that no one reads.
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There was not one bit of that legislation that reduces mass illegal immigration through the remainder of Bumbling Biden's term
But why would this have ever been part of the debt ceiling bill? I hate omnibus legislation. I want single issue bills, not poison pills or 5,000 page monstrosities that span 46 different topics that no one reads.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:45 am to Bass Tiger
No.
We're beyond the point where just cutting the rate of spending growth will keep us from avoiding a default in the foreseeable future, only cuts to total spending will work now.
The CBO projects debt servicing spending to surpass both Medicaid and Defense spending within around the next 10 years (if deficits continue at their current rate). Once we reach that point, a default becomes inevitable as Congress has proven time and again it would rather pad its re-election chances by spending money than risk political careers through being truly fiscally responsible.
Anyone arguing anything other that cuts to total spending has a problem with math, telling the truth or both.
We're beyond the point where just cutting the rate of spending growth will keep us from avoiding a default in the foreseeable future, only cuts to total spending will work now.
The CBO projects debt servicing spending to surpass both Medicaid and Defense spending within around the next 10 years (if deficits continue at their current rate). Once we reach that point, a default becomes inevitable as Congress has proven time and again it would rather pad its re-election chances by spending money than risk political careers through being truly fiscally responsible.
Anyone arguing anything other that cuts to total spending has a problem with math, telling the truth or both.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:55 am to Indefatigable
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But why would this have ever been part of the debt ceiling bill? I hate omnibus legislation. I want single issue bills, not poison pills or 5,000 page monstrosities that span 46 different topics that no one reads.
I bet if you would take the time to look at the details in that legislation, I'm sure you're gonna find things in there that should not be part of the debt ceiling legislation.....but to answer your question, if the Rs have some leverage then use it. This POS legislation locks in post Covid-19 increases for base government spending.....fricking ridiculous.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:01 am to Bass Tiger
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if the Rs have some leverage then use it
That has been a massive misconception both on the conservative right and on this site. There was never much leverage here for the GOP, because defaulting was never actually an option.
Democrats knew that from the start.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 11:02 am
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:07 am to Bass Tiger
Personally, I would abstain as of this moment because I don’t believe as I’m in possession of the requisite knowledge on the matter to make a fully informed decision. And I suspect same of many others amongst, even some with vigorous opinions on it.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:07 am to Bass Tiger
Nay
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:09 am to Indefatigable
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That has been a massive misconception both on the conservative right and on this site. There was never much leverage here for the GOP, because defaulting was never actually an option.
Democrats knew that from the start.
Default on what? Tax revenue will continue to flow and the only hard obligation was the interest payment on US debt......every other payment is discretionary. People continue to fall for this BS.
The US government could have continued paying Social Security, Medicare and a shite ton of other programs while cutting BS expenditures until they arrived at legislation that would begin the process of seriously reducing US debt
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:11 am to Bass Tiger
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The US government could have continued paying Social Security, Medicare and a shite ton of other programs while cutting BS expenditures until they arrived at legislation that would begin the process of seriously reducing US debt
Could have in a fantasy world? Sure.
That was never going to happen under any circumstance. No one had the political stomach to do it, and everyone involved on all sides knew that. Hell, the average person knew that.
What leverage did the GOP have to force that? None -- because if the Democrats said no to doing as you describe, which they absolutely would have, the GOP was not going to let the government default.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:12 am to davyjones
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Personally, I would abstain as of this moment because I don’t believe as I’m in possession of the requisite knowledge on the matter to make a fully informed decision. And I suspect same of many others amongst, even some with vigorous opinions on it.
Just knowing the legislation removes the debt ceiling for the remainder of Biden's term should be enough to know the legislation is shite.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:13 am to Bass Tiger
Nay, but I'd also promote fiscal responsibility and non-Leftist positions so I'd never get elected (esp in a state like Louisiana)
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:14 am to Bass Tiger
Politicians have become retarded and dont vote for their constituents anymore. An yet we still elect them so I dont know what that says about us voters.
Hard pass for me too.
Hard pass for me too.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:23 am to Indefatigable
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Could have in a fantasy world? Sure.
That was never going to happen under any circumstance. No one had the political stomach to do it, and everyone involved on all sides knew that. Hell, the average person knew that.
What leverage did the GOP have to force that? None -- because if the Democrats said no to doing as you describe, which they absolutely would have, the GOP was not going to let the government default.
Yeah, there's no question the Rs are powerless to effect change, let's hold off on the faux default and go for the eventual economic implosion of the United States....that's the safe and smart Uniparty way.
Interesting you said the average person knows we can't "default".....War Room was citing some polls this morning and nearly 20% of Americans were ok with the Rs holding the line, including absolute default and nearly 50% said the Rs should not pass any debt ceiling legislation without real debt reduction included in the legislation, not deficit reduction, debt reduction.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:23 am to Bass Tiger
That's not how it works. Congressmen vote based on the numbers of votes committed (in secret) before voting.
IE, let's say I'm in favor of bill. But I check polling of my voting district and it's opposed to the bill. Then I check the secret tally before the vote. I see that the bill will pass whether or not I vote for it. So, I vote against myself and for my constituents that way getting the bill passed and pleasing my voters.
A LOT of congressmen did exactly that on this vote.
IE, let's say I'm in favor of bill. But I check polling of my voting district and it's opposed to the bill. Then I check the secret tally before the vote. I see that the bill will pass whether or not I vote for it. So, I vote against myself and for my constituents that way getting the bill passed and pleasing my voters.
A LOT of congressmen did exactly that on this vote.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Nay, but I'd also promote fiscal responsibility and non-Leftist positions so I'd never get elected (esp in a state like Louisiana)
Slo, your one of them physical conservatives.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:42 am to Zach
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That's not how it works. Congressmen vote based on the numbers of votes committed (in secret) before voting.
IE, let's say I'm in favor of bill. But I check polling of my voting district and it's opposed to the bill. Then I check the secret tally before the vote. I see that the bill will pass whether or not I vote for it. So, I vote against myself and for my constituents that way getting the bill passed and pleasing my voters.
A LOT of congressmen did exactly that on this vote.
That's not what happened. I never knew you to be dishonest.
There's almost zero Republican districts that would have indicated via polling this bill should pass. This is the opposite of that.
Those that voted for it voted against the wishes of their constituents and for a effectively unlimited fed gov spending.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:49 am to Bass Tiger
Nay, they'll never stop spending.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:54 am to Bass Tiger
None of that changes the fact that it was never going to happen that way. There was never any political will for that, which is why I never thought that the GOP had much leverage.
They "could" have had leverage, but no one believed that the GOP was ready to go through with forcing a default or forcing the government to pay using existing revenues/temporarily cut other spending to do so.
It just was not a situation that Republicans were ever going to win.
They "could" have had leverage, but no one believed that the GOP was ready to go through with forcing a default or forcing the government to pay using existing revenues/temporarily cut other spending to do so.
It just was not a situation that Republicans were ever going to win.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 11:58 am
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