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MLB MVP voting in 2001. A look back at Todd Helton finishing 9th.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:07 pm
197 hits
146 RBI
1.116 OPS
.336 AVG
How did voting work back then?
I couldn’t imagine someone with a 1.116 OPS finishing 9th in today's game.
146 RBI
1.116 OPS
.336 AVG
How did voting work back then?
I couldn’t imagine someone with a 1.116 OPS finishing 9th in today's game.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:08 pm to Paul Allen
Mile High was considered a cheat code back then
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This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:11 pm to Paul Allen
the two guys who finished directly behind him, both had a higher WAR the Helton
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:17 pm to theunknownknight
Yeah but to not even finish in the top five of voting seems a little gratuitous.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:24 pm to Paul Allen
quote:
Yeah but to not even finish in the top five of voting seems a little gratuitous.
You may have a point with Helton in particular because his home/away splits were somewhat even
But for the 5 years leading up to that batters would TEE OFF in Mile High compared to other stadiums, the splits were insane, so the narrative was no Rockies’ numbers were respected
Helton is a victim of that
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:22 pm to Paul Allen
I don't think he's a hall guy but Helton had some fantastic seasons. Much like Olerud. Sustained greatness not there but short stint greatness indeed.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:31 pm to Paul Allen
They were putting up video game numbers back then. It’s not surprising he finished ninth, especially given that the Rockies sucked.
In 2001…
Bonds hit 73 HRs
Sosa hit 64 HRs
Freaking Luis Gonzalez hit 59 HRs
Bret Boone drove in 141 runs
Never mind A-Rod’s and Manny’s usual ridiculous stat lines
In 2001…
Bonds hit 73 HRs
Sosa hit 64 HRs
Freaking Luis Gonzalez hit 59 HRs
Bret Boone drove in 141 runs
Never mind A-Rod’s and Manny’s usual ridiculous stat lines
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:41 pm to Paul Allen
How many home runs did he hit???? That was a huge factor at that time. You want robbery??? Check out Gary Shiefields 1996 stat line and compare to others in the NL. A monster season.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:43 pm to Paul Allen
I know there are probably better stretches, but for me, 99-04 Todd Helton is the best it gets at 1B.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:47 pm to Paul Allen
Bonds and Sosa both had a WAR over 10 and were in a different stratosphere of inflated numbers. So they are clearly 1 and 2.
What is most interesting to me is the players with the 3, 4, 5 highest WAR all played on the same team - Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling and Luis Gonzalez.
If this season played out today Helton would finish above Berkman, Chipper, Pujols, and maybe jumps over Shawn Green.
The flip side is Randy for sure jumps him, and most likely schilling.
But at the end of the day, putting up big numbers in coors field on a dead last team in 2001 isn’t generating much acclaim.
What is most interesting to me is the players with the 3, 4, 5 highest WAR all played on the same team - Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling and Luis Gonzalez.
If this season played out today Helton would finish above Berkman, Chipper, Pujols, and maybe jumps over Shawn Green.
The flip side is Randy for sure jumps him, and most likely schilling.
But at the end of the day, putting up big numbers in coors field on a dead last team in 2001 isn’t generating much acclaim.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:51 pm to Paul Allen
The shite you choose to both waste your, and by default our, time on is nothing short of amazing.
Someone needs to Jane Goodall your arse because your species needs to be studied for science.
Someone needs to Jane Goodall your arse because your species needs to be studied for science.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:17 pm to Prosecuted Collins
Oh put a sock in it.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:58 am to theunknownknight
quote:
Mile High was considered a cheat code back then
This is the correct answer. No one was winning any award playing half their games in Coors Field. And the Rockies were bad as usual.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 9:46 am to Paul Allen
Posted on 9/29/23 at 10:33 am to ned nederlander
I love how everyone is referencing WAR as some determining factor - no one cared about WAR back then
Posted on 9/29/23 at 10:51 am to dukke v
Posted on 9/29/23 at 11:26 am to Paul Allen
quote:
How did voting work back then?
They voted for the guys that did the most steroids.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:05 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Mile High was considered a cheat code back then
the team collectively his .331 at home and .253 on the road.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:23 pm to theunknownknight
He finished 5th in OPS, he led the league in nothing, and he played in Coors before the dehumidifier.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:04 pm to Paul Allen
1947
Player A vs Player B
Runs - A = 97 B = 125
HR - A = 20 B = 32
RBI - A = 97 B = 114
BB - A = 64 B = 162
AVG - A = .315 B = .343
OBP - A = 391 B = .499
SLG - A = .522 B = .667
OPS+ - A = .913 B = 1.164
B won the Triple Crown
A won the MVP
Player A vs Player B
Runs - A = 97 B = 125
HR - A = 20 B = 32
RBI - A = 97 B = 114
BB - A = 64 B = 162
AVG - A = .315 B = .343
OBP - A = 391 B = .499
SLG - A = .522 B = .667
OPS+ - A = .913 B = 1.164
B won the Triple Crown
A won the MVP
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