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re: Virginia Tech is the only correct addition...
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:17 am to Govt Tide
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:17 am to Govt Tide
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A&m will only slightly hurt LSU`s recruiting. FSU will hurt EVERY program`s recruiting in the FL panhandle and even as far west as South La so even FSU could hurt LSU`s recruiting as much or more than A&M. As for Va Tech being scared of the SEC, the impression I got from reading Va Tech boards is that they would be pleased either way. The Tech fans that have mixed emotions about leaving the ACC all admitted that they`d be fools to turn down an invitation from the SEC if offered. In other words, they`d (Va Tech fans on their boards) happily accept an SEC offer if it ever came.
I'm not arguing against VT; they very well could be the best choice. You're acting like FSU isn't recruiting in the state of FL already. You know FSU stands Florida State University. They're doing quite well by the way and their recruiting will parallel their performance on the field whether they are in the SEC or not. They will also have the same recruiting limits they have now, and the SEC will have more exposure in state instead of a competing conference. I'm more willing to buy that this increased exposure is more of a risk to FL than FSU is.
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Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:19 am to Govt Tide
quote:Factually incorrect. ACC rules at the time stated that "more than 2/3 of current member schools have to approve of a new member," meaning you had to have seven "yes" votes. Duke and someone else (I think UNC; could be wrong) voted against all expansion. The first expansion package was Miami, Syracuse, and Boston College. Miami and BC both got seven votes; they were in. But Syracuse only got six. Virginia voted "no" on SU specifically because Virginia Tech was next on the list. VT got seven votes the next year.
I also don`t think UVA would protest or block a move considering they didn`t want Va Tech in the ACC to begin with.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:19 am to Indiana Tiger
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This is the same stupid, massive inferiority complex that FL seems to be exhibiting. Oooh! If FSU joins the SEC we'll never, ever get a top recruit! Nobody will ever want to watch us!
I have not heard any FL fan with the opinion that it's going to hurt our recruiting. There are enough FL HS players to survive on and we already recruit against them. Neither team can take all the top talent in FL.
As someone mentioned below, I don't want to help them financially. That's it. End of story.
If ULL was a football power LSU fans would not want them to get an invite. I know it's easy for LSU fans to say UF is scared because you don't have the same situation.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:24 am to Xenophon
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because its absolutely incorrect
Actually it is correct. If UVa wanted VT in the ACC then they did a good job of keeping it a secret. But if I'm wrong then I think it is safe to say that UVa was the only ACC team that wanted VT. The only way VT got in was through political pressure on UVa (cannot remember the exact details). For whatever reason (again, I cannot remember the exact details) UVa's support was required for the ACC to expand so political powers made it impossible for them to vote for expansion without including VT.
I do agree that now VT is in the ACC the UVa crowd would have a big problem with them bolting for a sweeter deal in another conference.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:26 am to xiv
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Miami and Syracuse both got seven votes; they were in. But Syracuse only got six.
I think you meant BC
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:28 am to roadGator
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As someone mentioned below, I don't want to help them financially. That's it. End of story.
The reason why you don't want them to have the money is the fear of what they would do with the money. Package it however you want, your no reason inferiority is showing.
Now I understand the ULL analogy, but LA is not FL. FL is too big an opportunity to give freely to other conferences.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:33 am to RhodeIslandRed
Actually, its not.
Talk to any of the UVA fans on here. UVA actually used up a lot of favors to get VT in the ACC.
Talk to any of the UVA fans on here. UVA actually used up a lot of favors to get VT in the ACC.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:33 am to Indiana Tiger
Inferiority? What school would seek to give more money to a rival? Adding FSU really doesn't effect Florida at all, if anything it is going to hurt recruiting for other SEC members
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:34 am to bgator85
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What school would seek to give more money to a rival?
Any school that is part of a conference not called the Big 12...
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:41 am to Indiana Tiger
Like I said, it's easy for LSU fans to criticize UF fans.
There is no inferiority complex. That's ridiculous from sports to academics comparing UF and FSU.
You don't have a rival. We have to hear their crap all year long and don't want to help them.
If they are in it doesn't change much for us. We will continue to play them and recruit against them as always.
What will change is that it will be that much harder to get to the NC game. Why would anyone want that?
There is no inferiority complex. That's ridiculous from sports to academics comparing UF and FSU.
You don't have a rival. We have to hear their crap all year long and don't want to help them.
If they are in it doesn't change much for us. We will continue to play them and recruit against them as always.
What will change is that it will be that much harder to get to the NC game. Why would anyone want that?
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:50 am to TigerintheNO
quote:Corrected.
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Miami and Syracuse both got seven votes; they were in. But Syracuse only got six.
I think you meant BC
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:52 am to Govt Tide
Will you shut up about VT its not gona happen
And wtf are you talking about saying UVA would have no problem with them leaving the ACC you must be clueless to how they got there in the first place
And wtf are you talking about saying UVA would have no problem with them leaving the ACC you must be clueless to how they got there in the first place
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 11:59 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
I don't think Tech is a good addition
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:56 am to Govt Tide
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FSU will hurt EVERY program`s recruiting in the FL panhandle and even as far west as South La so even FSU could hurt LSU`s recruiting as much or more than A&M.
I don't get this argument. FSU is pulling in top recruiting classes as is. They pulled a number 2 ranked class this year in the ACC. You think them getting into the SEC would have them ranked no. 1?
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Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:57 am to Xenophon
A&M and Mizzou in the West and Va Tech and Louisville in the East makes sense. They would bring in different TV markets and would improve our standing as a basketball conference.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:57 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:Great point.
I don't get this argument. FSU is pulling in top recruiting classes as is. They pulled a number 2 ranked class this year in the ACC. You think them getting into the SEC would have them ranked no. 1?
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:58 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
I agree it's not about recruiting. At least for me it's not. We already compete for the same guys. Nothing changes at all.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:58 am to roadGator
edit: I don't think any of these teams are going anyways.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 8/14/11 at 12:02 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
I was thinking the ACC would be the best bet for cake walks to the NC game. This is one reason I don't think FSU leaves the ACC. It's the reason they joined in the first place.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 12:41 pm to roadGator
I think a lot of people need to disambiguate the UVA fans and the UVA administration. The admins had their hands tied by the politicos (Gov. Warner). Basically, threatened funding and all that. Our admin said, 'eh, what the hell. It's a good compromise' and vote VT in to THE DISMAY AND ANGST OF THE FAN BASE. Not one UVA fan wanted VT in.
Today? UVA fans are split on VT leaving. Not sure how the politics are these days and how the admins feel, but obviously it must be strong enough for the VT admin to stand firm with the ACC (at least publicly).
Today? UVA fans are split on VT leaving. Not sure how the politics are these days and how the admins feel, but obviously it must be strong enough for the VT admin to stand firm with the ACC (at least publicly).
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