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Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:45 am to xiv
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Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri are 100% to blame for this.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:46 am to Quidam65
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I know there's the old saying that dealing with the devil you know is better than dealing with the devil you don't know. But in this case the devil you know isn't the devil you once knew.
Too early for sentences like this. I've only had one cup o' joe.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:47 am to glaucon
quote:Texas would just agree. . .and then bolt for the Pac-Ghey.
TA&M could call Texas bluff and demand that ALL television revenue be distributed equally in the new Big 12-2.
They are trying to come out of this looking like the good guys. They have zero intention of saving the Big-12. The only thing this move suggests, is that they are looking for a scapegoat.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:49 am to 1999
Per joe schad on twitter:
schadjoe: The departure of Texas, Texas Tech, OU and OSU to Pac-10 is imminent, four Big 12 sources say
Per geoff ketchum on twitter:
gkketch: Perhaps Texas knows that Aggie is leaving and this is all about them making sure they don't look like the bad guy.
Per richard justic of houson chronicle:
richardjustice: Me smells a UT ploy to make A&M look like the bad guys. #hounews
schadjoe: The departure of Texas, Texas Tech, OU and OSU to Pac-10 is imminent, four Big 12 sources say
Per geoff ketchum on twitter:
gkketch: Perhaps Texas knows that Aggie is leaving and this is all about them making sure they don't look like the bad guy.
Per richard justic of houson chronicle:
richardjustice: Me smells a UT ploy to make A&M look like the bad guys. #hounews
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:50 am to RLDSC FAN
Will USC become the next bitch boys of UT?
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:50 am to Baloo
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Once the SEC move gained traction, Texas has now reversed course and is now positioning themselves to "save" the Big 12, in a weakened state and horrible TV deal for all but Texas (and with all power further consolidated in Texas-- you think Kansas will ever cross Texas after finding out how little they are valued?). This means there are two outcomes. the preferred outcome is A&M bolts and UT blames the Aggies for killing the conference and UT still gets to go to their desired locale. But, as a consolation prize, they could keep A&M in line and essentially set up a weakened Big 12 that is their own fiefdom where they hold all political power in the conference. Not as big of a win, but still a win.
my bias is the salvaged big 12 isn't viable enough for even Texas to be interested in staying there - it's just posturing before everyone bolts
Revenues just have to drop even further. Missouri would still bolt on teh drop of a dime from teh Big 10 - A&M and Texas are just involved in a staring contest to see who blinks and moves to a new conference first - so they can claim it was all the other guy's fault
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:52 am to RLDSC FAN
The money is not there for this to happen. plain and simple.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:53 am to RLDSC FAN
Billy Lucci just tweeted:
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I've been told in no uncertain terms that A&M is staying the course and will continue to explore ALL options--SEC, Pac AND a 10-team Big 12
Posted on 6/14/10 at 10:01 am to CavalryAg07
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CavalryAg07
If it wasn't there all these years with a 12 team Big 12-how in the hell would it be now "all of a sudden" ???????
Posted on 6/14/10 at 10:12 am to hoginthesw
this is getting comical... Texas is trying to "save" the big 12... from what.... themselves?
they are the ones who orchestrated its demise to this point!
It sure wasnt TAM!
i look for Texas to propose a lopsided financial deal heavily benefiting themselves in the Big 12-2 which TAM will wisely refuse to accept, thus forcing TAM out the door... When TAM leaves, UT can blame TAM (as has already been pointed out).
manipulative bastages....
they are the ones who orchestrated its demise to this point!
It sure wasnt TAM!
i look for Texas to propose a lopsided financial deal heavily benefiting themselves in the Big 12-2 which TAM will wisely refuse to accept, thus forcing TAM out the door... When TAM leaves, UT can blame TAM (as has already been pointed out).
manipulative bastages....
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Posted on 6/14/10 at 10:43 am to xiv
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Texas has done nothing. They've just answered the phone to listen to offers. Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, and Colorado have all done more than Texas. Why is Texas the bad guy?
Lyndon B. Johnson for starters.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 10:44 am to 1999
So now they'll probably split OU and Texas in divisions so they can both be undefeated in the regular season and play each other in the MNC game.
Sad but probably true.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 11:04 am to Baloo
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Baloo
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Absolutely false. The Big Ten announced it was looking into expansion in late December. By early February, there were already independent media reports of the Big Ten meeting with Texas. Texas had more advanced negotiations with the big Ten than Mizzou ever did (or at least became public, Mizzou's closest tie was being mentioned as a possible target and their president saying maybe they'd be interested if the Big Ten offered -- but no reports of actual negotiations like Texas had).
It was Texas that screwed over Nebraska in the formation of the Big 12 by gutting the OU-NU rivalry and preventing partial qualifiers (which is how the Huskers built their title teams). Texas insisted on the inequitable revenue sharing AND they publicly were researching a Longhorn TV network to further expand revenue disparity. Texas then started making goo goo eyes at the Pac-10 as well.
The Big 12 North schools, rightfully nervous by Texas' actions and already in a disadvantageous situtation in the conference, stepped up their own expansion efforts. Texas then demanded a loyalty oath. NU and Mizzou responded by demanding changing the revenue situation, which Texas flatly rejected. Texas demanded a loyalty to a system which grossly benefited them above all else. Nebraska, not being run by idiots and knowing a terrible deal when they see it, bolted to the Big Ten (actually, colorado went first).
Texas ALREADY HAD A PLAN IN PLACE to bolt to the Pac-10 with five other teams. Think about that, Texas' negotiations were so advanced, they already had a complex Pac-16 plan in place and agreed to in principle. They did some PR to look like they were fighting for Baylor when they did no such thing, even leaking that Cal opposes Baylor on religious grounds through Orangebloods. Cal never made such a public declaration, that was a smear leaked from Texas' mouthpiece (I don't doubt Cal thinks that, but they didn't make such a rejection public, Texas did). When A&M refused to go along and weigh their options, like an SEC bid, Texas has repeatedly leaked stories to embarass or cojole A&M, especially by threatening to withhold funding or playing the Aggies in any sport. The threats have entirely been from UT, despite their claim the move is in the Aggies best interest. If it is, why do they need to be threatened?
Once the SEC move gained traction, Texas has now reversed course and is now positioning themselves to "save" the Big 12, in a weakened state and horrible TV deal for all but Texas (and with all power further consolidated in Texas-- you think Kansas will ever cross Texas after finding out how little they are valued?). This means there are two outcomes. the preferred outcome is A&M bolts and UT blames the Aggies for killing the conference and UT still gets to go to their desired locale. But, as a consolation prize, they could keep A&M in line and essentially set up a weakened Big 12 that is their own fiefdom where they hold all political power in the conference. Not as big of a win, but still a win.
Texas has continually and repeatedly leaked stories and manipulated other players in order to get to the Pac-10, where they wanted to go in 1995 (and would have, alone BTW, had not Stanford blocked the move) but place the blame elsewhere. Texas is trying to get to the Pac-10 while blaming others, or at worst, stay in a conference in which they are the only legitimate political power. It would be their own conference with a bunc of subservient programs that exist to be the Generals to their Globetrotters.
That anyone is falling for it speaks to the brilliance of their PR campaign and frankly, people's extreme gullibility.
Well done Baloo................This needs a sticky!!
Posted on 6/14/10 at 11:09 am to Roaad
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They are trying to come out of this looking like the good guys. They have zero intention of saving the Big-12. The only thing this move suggests, is that they are looking for a scapegoat.
Agreed.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 12:18 pm to LSUfannLA
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They are trying to come out of this looking like the good guys. They have zero intention of saving the Big-12. The only thing this move suggests, is that they are looking for a scapegoat.
Even if they hold together for a while, Texas has shown their hand. I think they've tried to spin a bit too far this time.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 12:22 pm to 1999
Chip Brown and Orangebloods in general is starting to become like the Al-Zahera (SP) Network with all the propoganda they are putting out.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 12:26 pm to saspier
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OSU to Pac-10 is imminent
The only person from OK State who is going to have the time and money to head out to the West Coast for road games is T. Boone Pickens.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:05 pm to Baloo
I realize this is somewhat outside the scope of this discussion, but when this is all over, it would be interesting to study this whole saga from an IR perspective. It seems Texas is doing what it wants because basically it can (think US internationally), while others are scoffing at them wielding such power. What's funny is that the libs from UT probably hate how the US conducts itself internationally, but are ok with Texas using a similar approach from its position of strength. Meanwhile, the right wing Aggies are crying foul on Texas when at the end of the day the Aggies love the way the US wields its influence. Sure, UT maybe the a-hole here, but only because they can get away with it.
Sorry for the hijack, you can have the thread back.
Sorry for the hijack, you can have the thread back.
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