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Is there any way for Texas to spin this mess as a positive?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:08 pm
1) They look greedy and like they don't give a shite about their conference mates
2) Best case scenario, they are left in the 4th best conference in the nation
3) They lose their biggest rival and admit to being afraid to schedule them OOC
In my opinion, DeLoss Dodds is a huge joke of an athletic director. Best thing he's done for UT is get Auggie because Mack and Barnes sure as hell aren't prizes to be had and he's managed to frick up a conference where Texas had one real obstacle to jump through for a BCS bowl.
2) Best case scenario, they are left in the 4th best conference in the nation
3) They lose their biggest rival and admit to being afraid to schedule them OOC
In my opinion, DeLoss Dodds is a huge joke of an athletic director. Best thing he's done for UT is get Auggie because Mack and Barnes sure as hell aren't prizes to be had and he's managed to frick up a conference where Texas had one real obstacle to jump through for a BCS bowl.
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Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:09 pm to Elleshoe
No.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:13 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
In my opinion, DeLoss Dodds is a huge joke of an athletic director. Best thing he's done for UT is get Auggie because Mack and Barnes sure as hell aren't prizes to be had and he's managed to frick up a conference where Texas had one real obstacle to jump through for a BCS bowl.
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A weak Big 12 will produce a conference champ that voters will have a tough time giving cred too.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:16 pm to szeringue
its bad enough right now... if they lose A&M and OU finds someone to take them you'll have a conference of:
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Ok State
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa State
Mizzou
and 2 of SMU, BYU, Air Force, Houston, Rice... 1 loss and you are out of the title game picture. That conference would be equivalent to the big east.
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Ok State
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa State
Mizzou
and 2 of SMU, BYU, Air Force, Houston, Rice... 1 loss and you are out of the title game picture. That conference would be equivalent to the big east.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:22 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
Is there any way for Texas to spin this mess as a positive?
Give up a little chump change for distribution. Send Boomer a kickback of some sorts, and at most give a hair on their stance on the LHN.
ETA: That's enough for Texas to spin it.
The conference will not last long most likely as Texas is a festering boil ready to bust at any time if they don't get their way.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:25 pm to King
can't they just agree to not have high school games on their network, take like 2-3 mill less a year from ESPN (if high school games are even worth that much) and make everyone happy?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:50 pm to Elleshoe
The money from the LHN was never the issue.
The major problems with the LHN are:
1) It creates a conflict of interest for ESiPN - as the major national sports media outlet - where they have a vested interest in promoting one of the teams they cover (everything from exposure, to prestige, brand identity, recruiting, and results on the field) over the other teams in the same conference.
2) It creates a conflict of interest for ABC/ESiPN/Disney/LHN/ - as the Big 12's major broadcast partner - in that it is essentially bidding/competing against itself and against the other conference schools for the right to broadcast games.
3) The coverage of high school games (or any high school content at all) violates the basic principle of schools not being able to entice recruits with (non football program related) tangible benefits. "Instead of cash or a Trans AM... we'll just put your high school games on TV if you agree to play for us... or [to coaches/administrators/HS athletic directors] you nudge a few of your best prospects in our direction."
4) Even if they don't show "their" recruits (games or highlights) the LHN/ESiPN still serves as a huge marketing tool for tu which of course both directly and indirectly helps with recruiting and name brand/prestige growth... which comparatively diminishes the recruiting power and name brand/prestige of the other teams in the conference relative to tu.
The major problems with the LHN are:
1) It creates a conflict of interest for ESiPN - as the major national sports media outlet - where they have a vested interest in promoting one of the teams they cover (everything from exposure, to prestige, brand identity, recruiting, and results on the field) over the other teams in the same conference.
2) It creates a conflict of interest for ABC/ESiPN/Disney/LHN/ - as the Big 12's major broadcast partner - in that it is essentially bidding/competing against itself and against the other conference schools for the right to broadcast games.
3) The coverage of high school games (or any high school content at all) violates the basic principle of schools not being able to entice recruits with (non football program related) tangible benefits. "Instead of cash or a Trans AM... we'll just put your high school games on TV if you agree to play for us... or [to coaches/administrators/HS athletic directors] you nudge a few of your best prospects in our direction."
4) Even if they don't show "their" recruits (games or highlights) the LHN/ESiPN still serves as a huge marketing tool for tu which of course both directly and indirectly helps with recruiting and name brand/prestige growth... which comparatively diminishes the recruiting power and name brand/prestige of the other teams in the conference relative to tu.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:52 pm to Elleshoe
"Texas is a festering boil"
No they are a systemic cancer and the patient is already DOA. The only question is when the arrival time is, not if it's dead.
No they are a systemic cancer and the patient is already DOA. The only question is when the arrival time is, not if it's dead.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:23 pm to Elleshoe
the answer is no; they cannot spin this as a postive and be credible. the worst thing they can do is try to spin it as a positve. imo, they should move forward, not even discuss any of the negatives that have arisen nationally against them and be the leader in the "new" big 12. by leader, i mean, advocate equal revenue sharing and equal rights in the conference. people will forget the present uproar if they change from a destructive influence to a constructive one. however, not in a minute do i believe they are capable of doing this. it seems their superiority complex is so ingrained that it is cemented as part of who they are. i think they actually do believe they are "better" than the rest of us.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:33 pm to Elleshoe
No, but only Texas believes its bullshite anyway. They will rationalize it one way or another and just say the rest of us aren't evolved enough to understand why Texas was right. They are already doing it with dropping the aTm game, which is clearly nothing but sour grapes and perhaps realizing that this also gives them an excuse to only play 1 team that is consistently worth a damn each year.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:55 am to LuciusSulla
we get to keep our cake and eat it also?
We keep the conference we rule over and get to keep the LHN? with only minor concessions
We keep the conference we rule over and get to keep the LHN? with only minor concessions
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:58 am to CoonassatTEXAS
quote:but for how long?
We keep the conference we rule over
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:00 am to CoonassatTEXAS
quote:
we get to keep our cake and eat it also?
We keep the conference we rule over and get to keep the LHN? with only minor concessions
I was gonna say something similar.
Texas is an independent operating under the guise of the Big 12 Conference.
They don't care about anyone but themselves and prefer it that way.
[edit to add the quote]
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 10:02 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:01 am to Elleshoe
Texas will do what Texas does best. Spin. It's not that difficult when you have no compulsion to tell the truth.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:04 am to Carlos Santannaclaus
All I know is that their home schedule next year looks pathetic.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:28 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
Is there any way for Texas to spin this mess as a positive?
To become one of the most (if not the most) profitable and richest collegiate athletic organizations the world has ever seen is a negative?
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 10:29 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:59 am to Elleshoe
quote:
1) They look greedy and like they don't give a shite about their conference mates
probably true - but not exclusive to Texas
quote:
2) Best case scenario, they are left in the 4th best conference in the nation
may or may not be a problem for them - an easy schedule plus a big name may just lead to padded win totals and easy BCS bowl berths. Teams who play tougher schedules should howl about this but it may be to Texas' advantage many years
quote:
3) They lose their biggest rival and admit to being afraid to schedule them OOC
Is OU or A&M their biggest rival?
Anyway, FWIW I do think there is a little denial from the Horns on this one. Playing A&M is a major game of interest to the general public and adds badly needed punch to the schedule of Texas if they remain in a weakened Big 12.
Plus beating A&M is the ultimate putdown - they have beaten A&M pretty regularly over the last decade. If they stop playing them then they can't beat them.
This shuffling has put OU and Texas into the very awkward situation of really needing each other (or benefitting from each other even more than they already did). The danger for OU is realignment will lower their presence in Texas and make their program less viable. The danger for Texas is if they lose the games against OU they essentially have no matchups of national interest on their schedule from year to year.
Could OU get disgruntled enough with the Texas/Big 12 to bolt for the Big 10, PAC, or SEC? Maybe they could - although it would probably require some creative ooc scheduling with programs in Texas to make this work. It is not out of the question tho - there are Texas teams ranging from Houston, TCU, SMU, Baylor, A&M, Texas Tech, to North Texas (ok, NT is a stretch - if they play them it would be in OU) that they could schedule for recruiting reasons.
Nightmare scenario for Texas might be OU leaves the conference and then signs up with A&M to play in Jerryworld every year.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:26 am to molsusports
They will try. With their arrogance, betting they consider themselves the Big12 (10-1) Savior. Press conference will be broadcast live on the comedy channel.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:32 am to molsusports
They beat us from 2000-2006. We have won 3 of 5 since then.
In the late 90's we both protected home field. Before that A&M won 10 out of 11 from Texas with the only loss being by 1 point and in Austin
In the late 90's we both protected home field. Before that A&M won 10 out of 11 from Texas with the only loss being by 1 point and in Austin
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:40 am to Big Kat
quote:
They beat us from 2000-2006. We have won 3 of 5 since then.
exactly - they have won 8 of the last 11
A&M and Texas are pretty close to even over the last few decades overall but the last ten years have tilted heavily in the Horns favor
And it is all about perception - the general perception in the region is that Texas beats A&M a lot because that's the way it was for most of the decade. Texas benefits from that perception and needs A&M on their schedule probably more than A&M needs Texas on their schedule (because they will have shite scheduled for compelling home games if they stop playing A&M every year).
And I still think the ultimate scare tactic vs Texas would be A&M and OU start playing each other every year in Jerryworld. If both schools did that and stopped playing Texas then the Horns schedule would be Boise State level.
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