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Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:40 pm to RummelTiger
As long as it's not Louisville. If this is all about television markets then Louisville is just stupid. TCU could blossom with SEC money in their bank account.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:42 pm to jcole4lsu
Okay, so maybe 'hell no' was a little strong. 
I agree that they open up Dallas, which would be nice. And, after getting A&M and (Houston) it would be good to get DFW, as well.
How open are they considering that they're supposed to joint the Big East next year? I haven't seen anything from them stating that they were interested.
I guess if the Big East implodes, like it's looking like it might, then I guess that certainly opens them up.
I don't know - I guess I just don't consider them to be a school with the long-term athletic hops worthy of being in the SEC. And before anyone says Vandy - they're grandfathered in.
I agree that they open up Dallas, which would be nice. And, after getting A&M and (Houston) it would be good to get DFW, as well.
How open are they considering that they're supposed to joint the Big East next year? I haven't seen anything from them stating that they were interested.
I guess if the Big East implodes, like it's looking like it might, then I guess that certainly opens them up.
I don't know - I guess I just don't consider them to be a school with the long-term athletic hops worthy of being in the SEC. And before anyone says Vandy - they're grandfathered in.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:47 pm to RummelTiger
quote:Their president (I believe the ticker said president, but it may have been AD) is already questioning the Big East move after the announcements by Pitt and Syracuse. This was repeatedly scrolled on the ticker during the Auburn-Clemson game, fwiw.
I guess if the Big East implodes, like it's looking like it might, then I guess that certainly opens them up.
The question becomes: are the additions of TCU, Texas A&M, Missouri, and West Virginia enough of a power move for the SEC to stay highly competitive in terms of markets and media contracts?
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:48 pm to RummelTiger
oh i dont like them either, but all of this talk about pulling a couple of powerhouse programs is getting out of hand.
The Big East is a band aid, and i think everyone knows it (even the big east - thats why 2 teams just applied to the acc)
I have no doubt that TCU would jump at the invitation to the SEC and in the process it wouldnt "kill" the big east, so it makes sense.
WVU makes sense too. I just dont see a lot of options, especially given the comments from Slive and the LSU chancellor on the matters of expansion.
speaking of, one problem with TCU is that its been said (by either slive or lsu, i dont recall which) that expansion would come to NEW states only. well if aTm is considered already in, that would exclude tcu. not sure if thats how it was meant though. i took it as no to GT, FSU, and Clemson.
The Big East is a band aid, and i think everyone knows it (even the big east - thats why 2 teams just applied to the acc)
I have no doubt that TCU would jump at the invitation to the SEC and in the process it wouldnt "kill" the big east, so it makes sense.
WVU makes sense too. I just dont see a lot of options, especially given the comments from Slive and the LSU chancellor on the matters of expansion.
speaking of, one problem with TCU is that its been said (by either slive or lsu, i dont recall which) that expansion would come to NEW states only. well if aTm is considered already in, that would exclude tcu. not sure if thats how it was meant though. i took it as no to GT, FSU, and Clemson.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:49 pm to CrazyTigerFan
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The question becomes: are the additions of TCU, Texas A&M, Missouri, and West Virginia enough of a power move for the SEC to stay highly competitive in terms of markets and media contracts?
no brainer. SEC already is the best conference and pulls casual fans who want to see the best brand of college football.
TCU, aTm, and Mizzou help bring the sec native to 4 big markets. WVU is a top 25 program.
I dont think we are headed to 16 just yet though.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:49 pm to jcole4lsu
hope not, they are losing to ULM right now
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:52 pm to jcole4lsu
I would still consider Texas as 'new'...
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:57 pm to RummelTiger
probably so.
becoming "native" to the houston and dfw markets would be a massive win for the SEC when it comes time to renegotiate tv contracts.
becoming "native" to the houston and dfw markets would be a massive win for the SEC when it comes time to renegotiate tv contracts.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:03 pm to jcole4lsu
I'm terrified of adding TCU. they've been a terrific mid-major program for a decade, but they were an awful program for forty years in the SWC. They nearly had as many one-win and winless seasons as winning seasons during that stretch. People have completely forgotten just how hopeless TCU was in the SWC for nearly a half century.
I don't think they will return to quite that level of awful, but I do think they are a huge candidate for a very large regression if added to a major conference (not the Big East, which stinks).
It's a case of buying high. This is the best TCU has been, by far, since WWII. And I'm not sure it is sustainable.
To a lesser extent, I worry the same about Virginia Tech, post-Beamer.
I don't think they will return to quite that level of awful, but I do think they are a huge candidate for a very large regression if added to a major conference (not the Big East, which stinks).
It's a case of buying high. This is the best TCU has been, by far, since WWII. And I'm not sure it is sustainable.
To a lesser extent, I worry the same about Virginia Tech, post-Beamer.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:10 pm to RummelTiger
quote:
I agree that they open up Dallas, which would be nice. And, after getting A&M and (Houston) it would be good to get DFW, as well.
I don't understand why anyone thinks that TCU would open up Dallas. TCU is not relevant in the state. Even in Dallas they're number 4 at best behind UT, aTm, and OU.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:11 pm to Baloo
quote:
This is the best TCU has been, by far, since WWII. And I'm not sure it is sustainable.
you are correct and its not. but TCU will not be any worse in the SEC than vandy, kentucky, ole miss. in fact, the recent success they have enjoyed has pumped a significant amount of money into the program, including massive renovations to facilities lately
(i have some family at tcu - alumni and faculty)
i think tcu would be average out to be 4th in the "new sec west" @ 14 total teams
LSU/BAM
Ark
TCU/aTm
MSU
OM
(auburn would move to the east in that scenario)
quote:
To a lesser extent, I worry the same about Virginia Tech, post-Beamer.
VT is fricked when that old man retires. UVA has a new young stud coach and will have them competing for recruits at a level UVA hasnt seen since George Welsh retired.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:12 pm to arwicklu
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I don't understand why anyone thinks that TCU would open up Dallas. TCU is not relevant in the state. Even in Dallas they're number 4 at best behind UT, aTm, and OU.
becoming native to a market is more important than where you rank in the market.
it adds games onto local tv and increases local media coverage. it will increase tv contract worth.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:15 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:
becoming native to a market is more important than where you rank in the market.
it adds games onto local tv and increases local media coverage. it will increase tv contract worth.
ATM already does that in Dallas.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:19 pm to arwicklu
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I don't understand why anyone thinks that TCU would open up Dallas. TCU is not relevant in the state. Even in Dallas they're number 4 at best behind UT, aTm, and OU.
If you threw LSU, Bama, UF, AU, USC, UGA, UT, A&M in there year after year - you open Dallas up.
It's not about TCU being in Dallas - it's about the SEC being in Dallas.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:20 pm to arwicklu
aTm is native to houston, not dallas.
the combination of aTm and TCU would give the SEC a considerable presence in DFW. i am not saying TCU brings the market by itself, but neither does aTm
the combination of aTm and TCU would give the SEC a considerable presence in DFW. i am not saying TCU brings the market by itself, but neither does aTm
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:24 pm to jcole4lsu
If TCU is a legit option for the SEC then it is a clear signal that A&M does not bring enough of the state of Texas to reset the current TV deal.
In my opinion TCU is way down the list in expansion choices and it is begining to look more and more likely that the SEC is looking to end uo on the short end of the stick in regards to the exapnsion merry-go-round. No ACC schools, no OU or UT... That means the best acquistion in all of this is supposed to be A&M and the choices get worse from there as more members get added. That is not news that any SEC president wants to hear.
Slive better have something else cookign or the SEC is about to be passed by in the revenue payout area.
In my opinion TCU is way down the list in expansion choices and it is begining to look more and more likely that the SEC is looking to end uo on the short end of the stick in regards to the exapnsion merry-go-round. No ACC schools, no OU or UT... That means the best acquistion in all of this is supposed to be A&M and the choices get worse from there as more members get added. That is not news that any SEC president wants to hear.
Slive better have something else cookign or the SEC is about to be passed by in the revenue payout area.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:25 pm to RummelTiger
quote:
If you threw LSU, Bama, UF, AU, USC, UGA, UT, A&M in there year after year - you open Dallas up.
It's not about TCU being in Dallas - it's about the SEC being in Dallas.
A&M will open up Dallas already. TCU is like adding UH to the SEC. You already have the Aggies... whats the point. Mizzou or someone out East would make much more sense.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:26 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:
aTm is native to houston, not dallas.
Disagree. Aggies get you coverage pretty much anywhere in the state. TCU isn't even popular in Dallas.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:27 pm to laxtonto
quote:
If TCU is a legit option for the SEC then it is a clear signal that A&M does not bring enough of the state of Texas to reset the current TV deal.
I agree.
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