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re: Honestly, what do you all want Baylor to do?
Posted on 9/7/11 at 8:05 pm to beast1513
Posted on 9/7/11 at 8:05 pm to beast1513
Baylor should fight. College football is not about the 30 or 40 biggest programs in the country running things. The beauty of college football is that we have so many small schools competing with big schools.
If any of you were fans of small schools you would support Baylor and understand that what they are doing is legit.
If any of you were fans of small schools you would support Baylor and understand that what they are doing is legit.
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Posted on 9/7/11 at 8:17 pm to marchballer
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Baylor should fight. College football is not about the 30 or 40 biggest programs in the country running things. The beauty of college football is that we have so many small schools competing with big schools.
with the right coach. I agree with you. ask TCU who isnt in a BCS school.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 8:20 pm to Duckie
I don't blame Baylor at all. They are stalling to try to get the legislature involved. It still makes them look like a bitch school though who is crying for someone to love them. Being the lone holdup in a conference realignment move is not exactly going to make them the most attractive school to the Big East or even CUSA though. The Big 12 wants aTm gone just as quickly as the SEC wants them in because they need to make a move immediately to save face. Now the SEC is on hold, aTm is on hold, and the other 9 Big 12 schools are on hold waiting for Baylor to get out of the way and let the inevitable happen.
Baylor used politics and dirty tactics to gain entry into the Big 12 and they are using them again to stay in a BCS conference.
Baylor used politics and dirty tactics to gain entry into the Big 12 and they are using them again to stay in a BCS conference.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 8:47 pm to Monticello
I don't either. The difference apparently is that Nebraska and Colorado never signed long term agreements. Either Fox or ESPN put together a very rich contract that will be voided if aggy leaves.
It is my limited understanding that aggy did sign an agreement to remain in the Big12 last year in order to get that TV contract in place. This is where the argument comes.
For what it's worth, Baylor may have been the rally cry but that fat arse that gets on the Paul Slimebaum show, the one that runs an aggy forum has never been a good source. He either purposely misleads or is a bigger fool then he looks.
He is the one saying it was Baylor. Truth be told you have to believe that Baylor has the full support of UT and the urging of their administration to do whatever they can and UT will have their back.
I learned today as many as eight have not given their release of rights to sue.
It is my limited understanding that aggy did sign an agreement to remain in the Big12 last year in order to get that TV contract in place. This is where the argument comes.
For what it's worth, Baylor may have been the rally cry but that fat arse that gets on the Paul Slimebaum show, the one that runs an aggy forum has never been a good source. He either purposely misleads or is a bigger fool then he looks.
He is the one saying it was Baylor. Truth be told you have to believe that Baylor has the full support of UT and the urging of their administration to do whatever they can and UT will have their back.
I learned today as many as eight have not given their release of rights to sue.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:03 pm to AU86
I want Baylor to eat a dick.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:14 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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Beebe wrote a letter speaking on the behalf of every member institution in the Big 12.
I would think that even Beebe is not stupid enough to do something like that without the authority to do so, but could be wrong. If he did then Baylor's beef is with him, not A&M or the SEC.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:20 pm to nerd guy
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Take off the tarp and sell a game out?
BOOM! Right on Let's say for argument's sake that BU succeeds and A&M stays. Does that solve their problems? The big problem is south on 35. The Big XII is doomed no matter what. It's time to say good night Gracie.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:21 pm to beast1513
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What about honoring the contracts you enter into? Being a man of your word? I recall a quote from A&M's president from 2010 that said nothing meant more to an Aggie than keeping their word. All Baylor wants is for the Aggies to honor the contract they agreed to LAST year (not many years ago).
Check me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Aggies do exactly that when they asked the Big XII for an outline of the required procedure to leave the conference and then followed it to the letter?
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:22 pm to RhodeIslandRed
Most BCS conferences have their Baylors:
SEC - MSU, Vandy
Big 10 - Indiana
PAc 10 - Wash St.
Wonder how much their conference records are than Baylors?
SEC - MSU, Vandy
Big 10 - Indiana
PAc 10 - Wash St.
Wonder how much their conference records are than Baylors?
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:23 pm to RhodeIslandRed
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I would think that even Beebe is not stupid enough to do something like that without the authority to do so, but could be wrong. If he did then Baylor's beef is with him, not A&M or the SEC.
CFT has expanded on that one. Beebe and the Mizzou guy on the Big 12 board determined that such an agreement was non-binding and that the SEC would have to get waivers from individual schools... which they told the SEC about shortly before the A&M vote and two days before the deadline in the letter to not get sued.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:27 pm to Chitter Chatter
Baylor and the Big 12 need to get off their frickin asses and invite TCU and BYU to the Big 12 to actually make it 12 schools (assuming they keep TAMU in the conference). Even the if they lose TAMU, they should try to keep OU, invite those beforementioned teams plus a third (Houston or Colorado St?)
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:29 pm to Duckie
No. If SEC doesn't go to 14 or 16, then neither will the PAC16. Period.
Don't be naive. Dodds was giving speeches over the summer stating that options for Tx weren't going away because the b12-2 had an agreement.
PAC wants to go to 16. Slive is just not sitting back an letting them get the jump on us.
Don't be naive. Dodds was giving speeches over the summer stating that options for Tx weren't going away because the b12-2 had an agreement.
PAC wants to go to 16. Slive is just not sitting back an letting them get the jump on us.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:35 pm to Duckie
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Honestly, what do you all want Baylor to do?
To be honest. I really don't care what they do. It's wierd, I don't care much one way or the other about this conference expansion stuff. But strangely, I find it kind of fascinating watching the Big 12 falling apart drama. It's kind of like watching an accident or a train wreck. It's kinda morbid but you can't look away.
I just hope the SEC doesn't get too bogged down in the football version of a COPS episode that the Big 12 is fast becoming.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:38 pm to Duckie
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Honestly, what do you all want Baylor to do?
DIAF sound about right?
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:47 pm to teke184
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CFT has expanded on that one. Beebe and the Mizzou guy on the Big 12 board determined that such an agreement was non-binding and that the SEC would have to get waivers from individual schools... which they told the SEC about shortly before the A&M vote and two days before the deadline in the letter to not get sued.
Well if all the university presidents are are the board (which it appears to be the case based on the Big XII bylaws) and the board issued the letter (via Beebe) then it might still be legally binding even if they don't want it to be ...
Edit: here's the post which links their bylaws: https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=28203671&b=17&s=1&p=28202440
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:56 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
The thing is if the conference agreement has a termination provision/penalty (almost guarantee it does, especially after Nebraska and Colorado departure), that is all Baylor gets if A&M leaves.
This posturing about other damages for breach of contract has zero legal merit beyond the terms of the early termination penalty in the agreement. Its a contractual claim and the contract has provisions for early termination that are binding on all parties (A&M and Baylor). If A&M follows the provisions and pays the applicable penalty, they can leave the Big 12 and no amount of bitching and whining by Baylor or anyone else will stop it.
Also A&M went to the SEC not the other way around so they (Baylor and other whiners) have essentially zero claim on tortious interference to contract. SEC has very publicly stated that A&M has to first resolve its legal issues with leaving the Big 12 before it will be officially considered for SEC membership. Unless Baylor has some recorded back room deals, letters, emails, or phone calls to the contrary, they basically have no claim against the SEC.
This posturing about other damages for breach of contract has zero legal merit beyond the terms of the early termination penalty in the agreement. Its a contractual claim and the contract has provisions for early termination that are binding on all parties (A&M and Baylor). If A&M follows the provisions and pays the applicable penalty, they can leave the Big 12 and no amount of bitching and whining by Baylor or anyone else will stop it.
Also A&M went to the SEC not the other way around so they (Baylor and other whiners) have essentially zero claim on tortious interference to contract. SEC has very publicly stated that A&M has to first resolve its legal issues with leaving the Big 12 before it will be officially considered for SEC membership. Unless Baylor has some recorded back room deals, letters, emails, or phone calls to the contrary, they basically have no claim against the SEC.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 10:10 pm to AU86
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Did they do this to or try to stop Nebraska or Colorado? I don't think so.
They didn't want to stop Nebraska or Colorado.
IMO, This is what they desperately want:
North
Missouri
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
South
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Houston
SMU
Texas A&M
If a couple of more teams pull out...
Replacements
BYU
Air Force
Memphis
Tulsa
Something like this is what I'm thinking. One has to understand their mentality. It's not the norm.
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 9/7/11 at 10:13 pm to lsudawg70
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Most BCS conferences have their Baylors:
SEC - MSU, Vandy
Big 10 - Indiana
PAc 10 - Wash St.
Vandy and Indiana at least bring basketball. Baylor sports' claim to fame is having a man playing women's bb.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 10:15 pm to will0637
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Baylor and the Big 12 need to get off their frickin asses and invite TCU and BYU to the Big 12 to actually make it 12 schools
Texas and OU don't want 12 teams and don't want a conference championship. If they can avoid the PAC ??, they will NOT go to 12 teams.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 10:20 pm to Chitter Chatter
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Texas and OU don't want 12 teams and don't want a conference championship. If they can avoid the PAC ??, they will NOT go to 12 teams.
Get OU and OSU to get pissed enough to leave and they'd jump on the 12 team scheme. BYU and Air Force...
I'm convinced they want as close to a 6 team all-Texas South division as they can get. They want a weak North division.
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 10:24 pm
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