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Why was O'Brien fired by the Texans?

Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:00 pm
What were his strengths and weaknesses as a HC?

Does he have any history of recruiting success?

Just wondering if there is any basis for concluding that he is actually being considered for the job.
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Posted by linewar
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2021
349 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:21 pm to
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Why was O'Brien fired by the Texans?


Houston resident here, so I'll take a stab at this. *cracks knuckles*

The BoB era for the Houston Texans is referred to around here as "New England Patriots Cover Band," which in some ways is still continuing albeit differently. BoB came in promisingly enough, having turned around Penn State, and was pretty well-supported at first. He was a decent coach, offense-minded, building a team that consistently was in the mix to win their division and make the playoffs. But...

The success is what bred the cancer. As a result of success, he demanded more power - more input on the roster, salary-cap issues, draft picks, etc. He managed to oust the GM who helped build the roster (Rick Smith) through a power struggle, making himself and a mysterious figure named Jack Easterby the de facto GM after Smith resigned. Also during this time, Bob McNair (owner) passed away, leaving his not-as-much-of-a-leader son Cal McNair in a CEO role with the team. Power vacuum, power struggle...yeah.

All of this dysfunction earned him the official role of the GM/ HC. (a la Bill Belichick) Coming off a mediocre season hampered by trades for Laremy Tunsil and a few others that lost a lot of draft capital when he was de facto, he then traded away the (at that time) #1 or #2 wide receiver in the NFL (Deandre Hopkins) for a past-his-prime RB and a couple of mid-tier draft picks. Hopkins was incredibly popular in Houston, so the fan base and the locker room had a collective fit. (History will likely show this to have been the worst trade ever made in the NFL) It didn't help that, over the course of this process, he got more and more combative with the media as they asked him hard questions. He is no Belichick, with the monotonous tone and piercing look that makes people feel silly. Defensiveness is an unattractive character trait for a toddler, much less for a grown man running an NFL franchise.

Having lost the fanbase, the media, and the locker room, 2020 was win-or-go-home. After starting 0-4, not-so-great-a-leader Cal McNair had no choice but to fire him.

A move roughly 2 years too late.
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Posted by Ocardowin
Member since Dec 2011
1345 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:02 pm to
Bill O'Brien compared Hopkins to Aaron Hernandez because he felt Hopkins was a locker room cancer because he had too many "baby mamas."

That should tell you all you need to know about BoB.
Posted by DhanTigers212
Member since Dec 2014
7489 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:03 pm to
BoB would be a terrible hire. Just leave it at that. His name is an obvious smokescreen.
Posted by purplengold1
Illinois
Member since Feb 2009
5075 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:03 pm to
Well he was the GM as well and was basically sabotaging the team with his stupid arse trades.
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70039 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:06 pm to
The dude is a cancer. I live in Houston and want NO part of BoB
Posted by GermantownTiger
Member since Jan 2015
3337 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:07 pm to
Caught fingering his chin
Posted by MasterAbe1
Member since Oct 2016
5011 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:09 pm to
He traded DHop for a second rounder and a decrepit David Johnson. He should’ve been fired immediately after that move
Posted by MidLineVeer
Southwest Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
665 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:12 pm to
The great thing about BOB is that the can’t go 10-6 and loose in the first round of the playoffs in College football
Posted by The Hurricane
Gulf of Mexico
Member since Aug 2011
7964 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:17 pm to
He was a terrible GM.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59106 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:19 pm to
He was a terrible GM but a solid coach, he did make the playoffs twice in an admittedly shitty division but with horrendous QBs like Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallette and Osweiler
Posted by linewar
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2021
349 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

Why was O'Brien fired by the Texans?


Houston resident here, so I'll take a stab at this. *cracks knuckles*

The BoB era for the Houston Texans is referred to around here as "New England Patriots Cover Band," which in some ways is still continuing albeit differently. BoB came in promisingly enough, having turned around Penn State, and was pretty well-supported at first. He was a decent coach, offense-minded, building a team that consistently was in the mix to win their division and make the playoffs. But...

The success is what bred the cancer. As a result of success, he demanded more power - more input on the roster, salary-cap issues, draft picks, etc. He managed to oust the GM who helped build the roster (Rick Smith) through a power struggle, making himself and a mysterious figure named Jack Easterby the de facto GM after Smith resigned. Also during this time, Bob McNair (owner) passed away, leaving his not-as-much-of-a-leader son Cal McNair in a CEO role with the team. Power vacuum, power struggle...yeah.

All of this dysfunction earned him the official role of the GM/ HC. (a la Bill Belichick) Coming off a mediocre season hampered by trades for Laremy Tunsil and a few others that lost a lot of draft capital when he was de facto, he then traded away the (at that time) #1 or #2 wide receiver in the NFL (Deandre Hopkins) for a past-his-prime RB and a couple of mid-tier draft picks. Hopkins was incredibly popular in Houston, so the fan base and the locker room had a collective fit. (History will likely show this to have been the worst trade ever made in the NFL) It didn't help that, over the course of this process, he got more and more combative with the media as they asked him hard questions. He is no Belichick, with the monotonous tone and piercing look that makes people feel silly. Defensiveness is an unattractive character trait for a toddler, much less for a grown man running an NFL franchise.

Having lost the fanbase, the media, and the locker room, 2020 was win-or-go-home. After starting 0-4, not-so-great-a-leader Cal McNair had no choice but to fire him.

A move roughly 2 years too late.
Posted by dandan
Member since Nov 2007
4346 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:22 pm to
I live in Houston so got to see him first hand. Most people here couldn’t stand the guy.

Very arrogant and the type that thinks he is smarter than everyone else….even though he didn’t win anything.

He destroyed the team with idiotic trades as well.

The guy is bad news. Not a winner and very unlikeable is not a good combo.
Posted by Mr Clean
New Iberia
Member since Aug 2006
49303 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:23 pm to
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Bill O'Brien compared Hopkins to Aaron Hernandez because he felt Hopkins was a locker room cancer because he had too many "baby mamas."


Posted by MidLineVeer
Southwest Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
665 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:23 pm to
Had issues massaging the salary cap
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
4470 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

linewar


Interesting history. Thanks.

I do note that no one here is coming to OBrien's defense. That's somewhat ominous.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
7897 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:33 pm to
He traded Deandre Hopkins for David Johnson
Posted by linewar
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2021
349 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Interesting history. Thanks.


Possibly the craziest part is that he's a decent coach - maybe even a really good one. But short of a revolutionary character change, being good is what ultimately makes him bad.

It's important to note that he didn't stay at Penn State long enough for this process to play out. Penn State was always his stepping stone to get back to the NFL as a HC and work his Belichick 2.0 plan.

LSU does not/ should not/ BETTER NOT try to be an Alabama cover band. There's already one little brother in the SEC in College Station, no need for another.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65986 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

Bill O'Brien compared Hopkins to Aaron Hernandez because he felt Hopkins was a locker room cancer because he had too many "baby mamas."

That should tell you all you need to know about BoB.


I can't see recruits lining up to play for him as a HC.
Posted by birdmanlsu
Texas
Member since Apr 2019
72 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:36 pm to
He's Not Worth A Dam
Posted by kwtiger70
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
828 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 1:47 pm to
O’Brien was. And is too full of himself. He lost the team long ago, insulted his best players, traded away anyone with a pulse and hired terrible assistants. He might have been good as an assistant under Belichek but he was way over his head in .Houston. Don’t want.
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