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Why was it okay to fire Chizik and inhumane to fire Les?
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:03 am
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:03 am
Chizik was only two years removed from a national title (2010) and was fired after a bad year in 2012. It was a very aggressive move by Auburn, yet they weren't criticized like this. Les has never had a winless SEC year, but man these past 3 years have been disappointing. The same people defending Les were the ones asking why the hell we lost to Ole Miss as the #6 team in 2013, why he can't develop a QB, and why we're 0-5 and don't appear to gameplan against Bama and the better teams. The truth is, Les is a great man and recruiter, but the fans are tired of seeing LSU run over the weak sister teams like Syracuse, struggling to 1-11 Eastern Michigan, and seeing our QB look like a deer in the headlights all confused in the meat of the SEC schedule. The media is looking at his overall record, which is good, but not the current trend since 2011 and our record against the western division the past several years. Did they just forget 41-7 to Auburn, 17-0 to Ark, and the other beat downs?
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Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:04 am to schwartzy
because LSU fans
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:05 am to schwartzy
Compare the records.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:06 am to schwartzy
quote:a first time starter looks confused against good SEC competition... color me shocked.....
seeing our QB look like a deer in the headlights all confused in the meat of the SEC schedule.
quote:winning 10 games a couple seasons ago is a disappointment? LSU could have won 10 this season....
but man these past 3 years have been disappointing
quote:Bad.... you mean horrible, he went 3-8 if LSU went 3-8 Les would be gone in a heartbeat.
Chizik was only two years removed from a national title (2010) and was fired after a bad year in 2012.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:08 am to tduecen
you are everywhere defending miles. it's really quite impressive at this point.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:14 am to schwartzy
Same reason it was ok for Tennessee to fire Fulmer with his .743 win % i guess..
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:19 am to geauxtigers87
They have a lot of incorrect statements floating around.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:19 am to schwartzy
It's not "inhumane" to fire him. I don't think anyone said it was.
But the way they are doing it is a disgrace.
But the way they are doing it is a disgrace.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:21 am to tduecen
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If LSU went 3-8 Les would be gone in a heartbeat
He's about to go 8-3 and be gone in a heartbeat. What's shocking is how ridiculous LSU fans sound. And anyone that thinks this is a mistake loves Les more than LSU.
We're about to fire the best coach in LSU history for going 10-3, 8-5 and possibly 8 or 9 wins which might have been 10 but for the McNeese thing. Those were better than DiNardo's three best years. Better than everyone before him but Cholly Mac who had a great run from the early 60s when Dietzel left until 73. It still took 6 mediocre seasons after that before we showed him the door (and I mean REALLY mediocre like 7-5 or 6-6 every year). And remember how much better we got after right? The 80s and 90s were the worst era in LSU history.
Even Saban had just one great year. Remember we backed into the 2001 SEC title game with 3 losses. And we had seasons with 4 and 5 losses as well. Even the title year we were damn lucky to get into the title game because Bama beat Hawaii on the last weekend of the year to make our SOS barely better than USC.
And one more thing everyone needs to remember is that the SEC (and particularly the West) is far more difficult to win than ever before in the history of the conference. This conference was never this deep. And he had the pleasure of being the only coach in this entire time who had to face Saban and Meyer every year that they were in the conference together. You are talking about the two best coaches of this era. And he got 6 wins over those two coaches by the way. Something no other coach has come close to.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:23 am to schwartzy
Because it was painfully obvious that Chizik had completely lost control of the football program. Players skipped workouts in the preseason and were not punished. He hired a security firm to enforce curfews during the season. The two coordinator hires were a disaster (although they had success before Auburn and have had success post-Auburn. Hmmm.) And let's not forget the 2011 offseason, where several players were arrested for robbery.
It was more than just the wins and losses for Chizik in 2012. The Auburn program that year was a trainwreck on and off the field.
It was more than just the wins and losses for Chizik in 2012. The Auburn program that year was a trainwreck on and off the field.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:23 am to Badger7
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Same reason it was ok for Tennessee to fire Fulmer with his .743 win % i guess..
You realize that's why we have been terrible for half a decade, right?
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:24 am to Tigerpaul1969
so what exactly does Les do that some of you think is irreplaceable and will haunt LSU when he's let go?
He recruits well and makes solid assistant coaching hires. I say solid because he's kind of been hit or miss in that department.
He recruits well and makes solid assistant coaching hires. I say solid because he's kind of been hit or miss in that department.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:30 am to BilJ
well hell he hasn't exactly been recruiting an entire team at an elite level lately, either. that's why we have so many gaps going on 4 years in a row
2012: offense had major issues and growing pains for almost 2/3 of the year and we squandered lots of D talent left over from 2011
2013: D had holes all over and couldn't supplement a great offense
2014: D was pretty good but our passing game was terrible (QB, OL, and WR issues) and our LB/DL had issues all year
2015: don't have depth on DL and our secondary is a complete mess. passing game in shambles
2016: offense may be great but our DL has no pass rushers still and our LBs and DBs may be decimated and paper thin
2012: offense had major issues and growing pains for almost 2/3 of the year and we squandered lots of D talent left over from 2011
2013: D had holes all over and couldn't supplement a great offense
2014: D was pretty good but our passing game was terrible (QB, OL, and WR issues) and our LB/DL had issues all year
2015: don't have depth on DL and our secondary is a complete mess. passing game in shambles
2016: offense may be great but our DL has no pass rushers still and our LBs and DBs may be decimated and paper thin
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:31 am to Supravol22
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You realize that's why we have been terrible for half a decade, right?
The right hire was not made after Fulmer. Thats why Tennessee has been terrible since then.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:33 am to Badger7
There's truth to that, but the firing allowed for that mistake to happen.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:35 am to Badger7
Tennessee has been bad b/c it's going the way of Nebraska, as in, geographically it has major issues for recruiting
also, UGA and USC rising up and cutting off those California and GA recruits TN would rely on killed them
LSU and Bama coming back, in addition, frick UTenn incredibly hard
also, UGA and USC rising up and cutting off those California and GA recruits TN would rely on killed them
LSU and Bama coming back, in addition, frick UTenn incredibly hard
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:35 am to schwartzy
Because Auburn's program had significant internal issues at the time, any criticism of LSU firing Les is likely based on the appearance, at least, of the program being in good shape organizationally and talent-wise.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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ell hell he hasn't exactly been recruiting an entire team at an elite level lately, either. that's why we have so many gaps going on 4 years in a row
this I definitely agree with. Skill player wise, we stand toe to toe with Bama, the last few years the big difference in the games is them thoroughly dominating us along both lines.
We've had classes with large gaps in them, which means you really can't afford to miss on some of those evaluations or you're really fricked
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
That's complete bullshite. Nashville is the fastest growing metro area in the south and Knoxville is within 3 hours of Charlotte and Atlanta. UT's recruiting is fine but it's obvious you're too biased to see that.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:37 am to Supravol22
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There's truth to that, but the firing allowed for that mistake to happen.
I would agree with that.
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