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re: Why Kiffin over Napier??
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:55 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:55 am to tiggerthetooth
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Napier may have a higher ceiling but lower low.
I think this is a good take and boils down why it is difficult to say one is clearly a better candidate.
I’m Team Napier because I like the ceiling.
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:09 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The only reason Napier isn't at the top is because of facts. The best thing in his favor is a few years at ULL and supposed immeasurable intangibles. That's as non-fact based as it gets.
Napier is a emotional queue for a lot of Louisiana folks and it really jades the arguments in favor of him, especially when you consider the other candidates in question. I just don't think Napier has proven himself yet, at least no more than many other coaches before.
na not really, the Louisiana thing is very very fricking overplayed by the anti napier posters.
its real simple
almost every big hire other than jimbo has been g5 to P5.
of the G5 coaches
1) fickel- most dont beleive he will come
2) Napier
3) chadwell
now there are certainly bigger names then them in
1) riley
2) any NFL HC
3) Franklin possibly
4) Cristobal
Riley should be #1 on every big board unless a better NFL HC wants it. but both are not very realistic, could happen but doubtful
Franklin- been at PSU a long time and most dont think he will leave but he hasnt set the world on fire either. Good enough to not get fired but not good enough to win an NC. Him and Cristoball are just program manager HC that would again be subjected to the success and failures of the coordinator hires.
then you have
1) Kiffin- again very high highs, but past has shown lots of mediocrity mixed in.
2) Bill O Brien- great job at penn state and was good when just HC of Houston, sucked as GM but was GM in name only. Takes way way too much blame for shite he didnt have a choice on.
3) Tucker- great recruiter and hard worker but results are mixed. High high high ceiling but lowest floor of candidates though.
4) Aranda- would lock down 1 side but concerns over last year at baylor and concerns over ability to recruit
5) Campbell/Fleck- neither have left midwest before and are both any better than the others including napier?
so what we are realistically looking at ( in no certain order)
1) kiffin
2) Napier
3) Tucker
4) bill o brien
5) Aranda
6) Campbell
7) Cristobal
8) franklin
you have to judge based off past results, vision for the program, vision for staff etc
I readily admit Napier is not my #1 and prolly not above #3 but looking at the realistic candidates above i take him over some of those for sure.
I am an anyone but franklin camp ftr. good with others.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:35 pm to lsu777
Because your average fan pretends that defense isn't a thing in football anymore even though it definitely is (hint, conventional wisdom in 2019 right before the playoffs was that LSU wouldn't make it over the finish line because ~20th ranked defense is generally too poor to win a natty). He's also funny meme man who posts on twitter a lot. Anyone actually looking at things objectively is going to pick Napier in a head to head. Recruiting especially needs to be pointed out. I don't want to put Napier on the same level as the truly elite recruiters like Saban, Smart, and Urban, but when he was at Bama he was definitely one of the top assistants recruiting wise.
Kiffin obviously has a higher ceiling if he ever learns to be organized and how to recruit+coach a defense, but that's a lot of ifs and Napier has already figured out all that stuff. You'd never guess looking at how ULL plays that as a coach his preference is a pass first offense that lights up the scoreboard, but that's what his background is.
For a reminder, Napier is also an offensive coach. There's not a program in the country that wouldn't give him a call to be their new OC if there was an opening and they thought he'd take it. He's no Kiffin as a pure OC that doesn't need to worry about recruiting, but he'd be the best offensive head coach LSU has had this century by a wide margin (I'm too young to talk about anyone pre Saban).
Kiffin obviously has a higher ceiling if he ever learns to be organized and how to recruit+coach a defense, but that's a lot of ifs and Napier has already figured out all that stuff. You'd never guess looking at how ULL plays that as a coach his preference is a pass first offense that lights up the scoreboard, but that's what his background is.
For a reminder, Napier is also an offensive coach. There's not a program in the country that wouldn't give him a call to be their new OC if there was an opening and they thought he'd take it. He's no Kiffin as a pure OC that doesn't need to worry about recruiting, but he'd be the best offensive head coach LSU has had this century by a wide margin (I'm too young to talk about anyone pre Saban).
Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:40 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The only reason Napier isn't at the top is because of facts. The best thing in his favor is a few years at ULL and supposed immeasurable intangibles. That's as non-fact based as it gets.
There you go spewing opinions as facts. Napier Derangement Syndrome...
Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:45 pm to CommieHater
So with Kiffin is there no longer a scandal concern? Or immaturity concern? This is the main reason I am putting other over him in regards to realistic options. That and he is a mix bags on results.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:05 pm to GREENHEAD22
Kiffen has a real good shot at winning 10 games this year which has only been done twice in the last 50 years at Ole Miss. Corral may get his name painted in the end zone one day
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:13 pm to lsu777
And just as a general response to people saying he has Ole Miss in the top 10, I'd be surprised if Ole Miss doesn't split Auburn and A&M. They also have the first QB that's going to be taken off the board draft time. He probably won't end up winning the Heisman because he's at Ole Miss and doesn't have the redemption story Pickett does, but he is clearly the best QB in the nation and should win it. I'm not valuing a season with that kind of talent highly and neither should you.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:19 am to lsu777
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and at the raiders and usc he was a failure
Come on man. Lane would not be my first choice, but if we are going to be objective about this we have to recognize that at both of those schools you mention he was operating at a distinct disadvantage. USC was operating on a probation which loss them 30 scholarships, no bowl appearance for two years and players on the team had the right to transfer, which they did, without having to sit out for a year. Tennessee won five games the year before Lk took over and Fulmer was forced out.
As I said, he wouldn’t be my first choice, but he would get a call before Billy a call.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:29 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Come on man. Lane would not be my first choice, but if we are going to be objective about this we have to recognize that at both of those schools you mention he was operating at a distinct disadvantage. USC was operating on a probation which loss them 30 scholarships, no bowl appearance for two years and players on the team had the right to transfer, which they did, without having to sit out for a year. Tennessee won five games the year before Lk took over and Fulmer was forced out.
raiders were a failure no matter what he took over
at usc we went over the sanctions, it was 10 schollies a year for 3 years plus no bowl ban. Doesnt matter, they were losing to teams with a losing record and outside of the 2nd season his conference record was pathetic. And if you go back and look his scholly numbers were not that down other than the 10 lost. Then the way he ended year 3 and started year 4 with 2 losses in conference....no brainer to get whacked and be gone.
if they were so far down, how did O go 6-2 to close out the season?
i like lane and Im fine with him getting the call before Billy but i will go on record in saying that is a mistake. So many LSU posters love the personal antic bullshite and are over the moon with his offense and QB development that they excuse the mediocrity that he continues to put up. 1 good season, followed by complete mediocrity is not going to work here. Also so many assume he is a great recruiter when history shows he really isnt.
my whole point was this though
outside of this year and one year at usc....his p5 expierence has shown nothing but mediocrity. So many want to hand their hat on FAU. well at FAU he did worse then Billy has at ULL by a long fricking shot.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:11 am to CatfishJohn
The Napier infatuation on here is disturbing. Makes no sense. Shouldn't even be a top 5 candidate. 
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:36 am to lsu777
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Kiffin
.646 career winning percentage
Aranda-.500
Ed O -.591
Napier-.739
Dabo-.800
Riley-.869
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:38 am to lsuhou74
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The Napier infatuation on here is disturbing. Makes no sense. Shouldn't even be a top 5 candidate.
why because he coaches ULL?
thats so stupid and some of yall are so unrealistic. You dont even research stats or any info.
should ole miss not have hired kiffin?
napier at ULL >>>Kiffin at FAU
so which is it?
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:54 am to tiggerthetooth
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The only reason Napier isn't at the top is because of facts. The best thing in his favor is a few years at ULL and supposed immeasurable intangibles. That's as non-fact based as it gets.
That's a ridiculous take. Here are some facts:
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At the age of 29, he became the youngest coordinator in the nation and in Clemson history. In his first season as Clemson’s coordinator, the 2009 Tigers scored a school-record 436 points and collected 54 touchdowns (third-most in school history), averaged 5.73 yards per play (fourth best) and finished as the ACC Atlantic Division champions. Quarterback Kyle Parker was named a Freshman All-American and nine players Napier coached from 2009-10 went on to have careers in the NFL.
Napier also served as Clemson’s recruiting coordinator from 2006-08. In those three seasons, he compiled two top-25 recruiting classes, according to Rivals.com, and in 2008, his class was tabbed as the second-best in the nation by ESPN.com.
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In his first year with the program, Napier guided the Sun Devils’ offense to the 14th highest-graded offense in the FBS according to Pro Football Focus - including the 10th highest-graded passing attack in the nation. ASU was graded 54th in the nation in total offense last season and 86th in the passing game on the year. The offensive turnaround (+40 positions) was the eighth-largest in the FBS and ASU was one of just three programs to move from outside the Top-50 to inside of it in just one season. The 76-spot swing in the passing game rankings was the third highest in all of the FBS (second among Power Five schools).
ASU developed one of the elite red zone scoring teams in the nation under Napier, tied for first nationally in converting on 95.83 percent of its red zone appearances (46-of-48) with the only two “blemishes” against the Sun Devils coming when the team took a knee late in the fourth quarter. ASU was 11th nationally in red zone touchdown scoring rate with 36 touchdowns on those 48 attempts (75.00).
He led ULL to the only 2 10+ win seasons in their history. They had three 9 win seasons under Hudspeth before going off the cliff, but nearly all of those were vacated due to NCAA violations.
I'd take Kiffin over Napier because of his elite offensive mind, but Napier is a very good coach and will only get better and it has nothing to do with him coaching in LA.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:23 pm to lsu777
Kiffin would be be a much better hire..sorry bro
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:25 pm to lsu777
Napier is going to need to take a P5 job thats not LSU. Win there and you get the Jimbo Fisher treatment in a few years!
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:27 pm to lsu777
3 words why Napier aint gonna happen: Strength of Schedule
2 words why Napier aint gonna happen: Sun Belt
1 word why Napier aint gonna happen: Woodward
2 words why Napier aint gonna happen: Sun Belt
1 word why Napier aint gonna happen: Woodward
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:55 pm to CouldCareLess
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3 words why Napier aint gonna happen: Strength of Schedule 2 words why Napier aint gonna happen: Sun Belt 1 word why Napier aint gonna happen: Woodward
You just posted your opinion. You don't know what will happen. But if you are going to post "words" then, post facts that back up your "words".
Posted on 10/26/21 at 3:06 pm to CommieHater
The only one I can say is FACT right now is: Strength of Schedule AT #81
My opinion is Woodward is not gonna hire Napier
The Sun Belt is the Sun Belt. What more needs to be said? Pretty much the doormat conference.
My opinion is Woodward is not gonna hire Napier
The Sun Belt is the Sun Belt. What more needs to be said? Pretty much the doormat conference.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 3:18 pm
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