re: Why Kiffin over Napier??

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is he? based on what?

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More head coaching experience, more national recruiting experience, more playcalling experience, more success at a higher level.


Kiffin has seen everything. Napier has barely even been a HC.

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at USC- down up and down
at FAU- down up and down
at OM so far-down up and ?????

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A 5-5 season during covid isn't necessarily "down" for Ole Miss, especially when 3 of their opponents are LSU, Bama, and Texas A&M.


Kiffin's stop at USC had all the potential and he showed flashes but his early career immaturity killed it and the USC athletic department was a mess. That time while to you may be a blemish, based on what I see now I think it's been an asset as an invaluable learning experience. A lot of great coaches have had failed stops before breaking out elsewhere after learning from their mistakes (Saban, Belichick).

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being OC for saban means what? and Napier was OC for dabo and coached for saban....in the end that means shite

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Isn't Napier's connection to Saban one of his most hailed attributes? That's all we've heard, "he's just like Saban, he's process-oriented like Saban, he talks like Saban".

Well tell me, why was Napier only ever the WR coach while Kiffin was the offensive coordinator? Explain to me how being position coach under Saban makes him more qualified than any OC or DC that's coached under Saban.


And Napier was fired as OC under Dabo.

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as HC and actual results..... Napiers record and resume>> Kiffens.

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No, just no. 4 years at ULL isn't shite. Kiffins 3 years at FAU are highly comparable to Napiers, if not better.


Here is FAU from 2010 through the Kiffin tenure:


2010-(4-8)
2011-(1-11)
2012-(3-9)
2013-(6-6)
2014-(3-9)
2015-(3-9)
2016-(3-9)
2017-(11-3)-Kiffin as HC
2018-(5-7)-Kiffin as HC
2019-(10-3)-Kiffin as HC

Here is ULL through the first 3 years of Napier:

2011-(9-4)
2012-(9-4)
2013-(9-4)
2014-(7-4)
2015-(4-8)
2016-(6-7)
2017-(5-7)
2018-(7-7)-Napier as HC
2019-(11-3)-Napier as HC
2020-(9-1)-Napier as HC



As you can see ULL was very much a bowl team with winning records prior to Napier while FAU had very few winning records and none from 2010-2016 prior to Kiffin.


And now in 2021 both are 6-1. Kiffin is 6-1 at an SEC school and Napier is 6-1 in the sun belt.

Top 10 in Year 2 at Ole Miss
Since 2019, LSU went from one of greater sll time to the bottom of the SEC while Ole Miss went from losers to Top 10.
But we got all that “talent”

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absolutely. but does offensive mind suddenly mean great HC cause that doesnt seem to be the case with kiffin.

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Lane Kiffin has Ole Miss as a top 10 team in the country, and they'll probably end up higher than they currently are. Ole Miss has been ranked inside the top 10 three other times in the last 20 years. I would say he is doing one hell of a job over there. I think the term great is thrown around far to loosely, but Kiffin certainly isn't doing a bad job in Oxford.

But this all goes back to the original question, "why Kiffin over Napier?" That is obvious and shouldn't have to be asked. Kiffin is far more accomplished.

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Kiffin failed the other two P5 schools he coached.

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Tennessee isn't exactly a failure and the USC gig was messy but the potential was there if Lane could keep his head on straight. It's been 8 years since that time.


Napier is a program manager like Coach O. Sure he's probably smarter but he's going to be held hostage by the quality of the coordinators he hires every bit as much as O and Les Miles were. Not an ideal scenario for a Coach still largely a question mark.


To me it's not even a debate. Kiffin is a better Coach on paper and is a more proven commodity. Napier could be good but still a risk for a guy without any success besides 3 years at ULL.

Willie Taggart improved every team he was at until he went to FSU and totally face planted. He's the exact type of coach that's dangerous to a top level school because you're fooled by his success at lower level conferences without considering his effect on a huge program in a big money conference.

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I'm not necessarily advocating for Napier but this is a dumb argument. This is how to miss out on the next Spurrier/Saban/Meyer level coach.

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Let’s see, LK has been hired as a head coach at 5 different places, and some of them well known for their football. It would seem he is well thought of at more places than just this forum.He was picked by Saint Nick to run his O. That seems like a pretty high endorsement to me

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and at the raiders and usc he was a failure. at UT he was absolutely 100% mediocre. at FAU he was up, then down, then up and had a losing season 33% of the time.

at OM he was 5-5 last year. He seems to be going the path of the USC tenure. Down then up big and i expect them to reutrn to his median past of around 6-7 wins next year.

again mediocrity

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No, just no. 4 years at ULL isn't shite. Kiffins 3 years at FAU are highly comparable to Napiers, if not better.


Here is FAU from 2010 through the Kiffin tenure:


2010-(4-8)
2011-(1-11)
2012-(3-9)
2013-(6-6)
2014-(3-9)
2015-(3-9)
2016-(3-9)
2017-(11-3)-Kiffin as HC
2018-(5-7)-Kiffin as HC
2019-(10-3)-Kiffin as HC

Here is ULL through the first 3 years of Napier:

2011-(9-4)
2012-(9-4)
2013-(9-4)
2014-(7-4)
2015-(4-8)
2016-(6-7)
2017-(5-7)
2018-(7-7)-Napier as HC
2019-(11-3)-Napier as HC
2020-(9-1)-Napier as HC



As you can see ULL was very much a bowl team with winning records prior to Napier while FAU had very few winning records and none from 2010-2016 prior to Kiffin.


And now in 2021 both are 6-1. Kiffin is 6-1 at an SEC school and Napier is 6-1 in the sun belt.

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i will give you credit for atleast coming withing of substance. Napier improved his team year over year unlike kiffen.

I do give kiffin credit for FAU, i think he did a fantastic job there and has done a great job this year. I expect IM to return to his normal 6-7 wins next year though as he has shown int he past.

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More head coaching experience

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yea he was a failure pre saban for sure....so we giving people credit for failing>

Kiffin hasnt seen everything




i dotn care about the saban connection that much to be honest. and i just want a head coach that is a creazy hard worker and leaves nothing left to chance.

I think kiffin and Napier are both good choices, with both having advantages in certain areas.

as HC though i find what Napier has done more impressive. but i would be happy with kiffin and the O he will bring, but i do think we would have lots of mediocrity sprinkled in between the good.

in the end, scott needs to interview and hear the plan from both and many others and go with who he feels can implement the best plan.

IMO though Kiffin is the best OC in football and is simply masquerading as a HC.

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Kiffin has proven himself at 2 separate stops at a G5 and P5 school. Napier has one single stop at a G5 school. Of course Kiffin has a better HC resume. It's not close

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i dont consider Kiffins failures at USC and the Raiders as positives for sure lol. I think thats where we disagree.

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He never coached anywhere long enough to establish anything. You could say USC but that was a bizarre scenario.

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ummm showed same trend at FAU. i expect same at OM next year after Corral leaves.

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Look at his resume BEFORE Oregon. He was at Oregon for 1 season only before jumping to FSU.

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i know willies past and also understand that he was given a shite program at FSU. they are still in the midst of that.

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Kiffin not as much because you largely know who he is given his background and experience. Napier may have a higher ceiling but lower low.

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i somewhat agree. I think with kiffin you will get a fantastic Offense that will get you a lot of wins but prolly not win an NC and floor is prolly 8 wins, alot of mediocrity in between. Very much like his USC tenure.

napier has higher ceiling like you said, but absoltely due to lack of _P5 expierence and track record could bomb out completely. Nothing in his past shows that but i understand the concern.

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How can you say this given Ole Miss's performance this season? This is in direct contradiction with current physical reality.

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what you mean? he didnt recruit this team and his results at OM are typical kiffin. up and down. this year is up, last year was down and next year is gonna be down once Corral goes pro. thats kiffens whole career.


i guess my thing is I see Kiffin as an OC pretending to be a HC. you get the fantastic Offense and everything else is left to chance.

his acting like a pissed off teenager playing madden with the 4th down calls are an issue with me too. I have no problem with 4th down calls on your side of the 50 or if they are very short etc but he has had some dumbass calls too.

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They can't support their "reasoning" for not wanting Napier with facts that support their "reasoning" other than negative comments about Ull, the Sunbelt, no P5 head-coaching, etc...

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The only reason Napier isn't at the top is because of facts. The best thing in his favor is a few years at ULL and supposed immeasurable intangibles. That's as non-fact based as it gets.


Napier is a emotional queue for a lot of Louisiana folks and it really jades the arguments in favor of him, especially when you consider the other candidates in question. I just don't think Napier has proven himself yet, at least no more than many other coaches before.