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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:33 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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I would not protest this hirer. However, O’s would have even less rope. This would be a safe hire for O.
It's atrocious. How is it a safe hire? Just the opposite if anything. Gives no boost.
It's not a safe hire when he is still always a fall back guy. Hire someone recruits and fans can get excited about.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:34 pm to tigerfoot
I agree with this whole heartedly!
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:34 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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Underwhelming and bad are not the same. Underwhelming means “fail to impress or make a positive impact on (someone); disappoint.” Bad means “having a harmful effect on.” No effect is not a bad effect. Steve would not be harmful. Canada’s hire impress but produced little to no effect. Steve’s hire would fail to impress and likely produce little to ni effect on the offense. Whereas, a bad hire would produce worse result than the status quo. O will not retain his job if the status quo is maintained.
No one agreed to hire O because they thought he "would do no harm." The pitch was that he would bring us back to championship levels. I thought that whole pitch was insulting and now it is fully falling apart right before our eyes.
This attitude is why we can only watch A&M poach Notre Dame's elite DC the day after they almost hire away Aranda. Why the heck can't LSU do something like that? How many millions of dollars combined are we paying guys to routinely promote good ole boy position coaches?
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:34 pm to Chicken
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O went 6-2 in the SEC. Miles hasn’t sniffed 6-2 in conference play since 2012
This was also our weakest conference schedule since probably 2008.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:35 pm to Manswers
Steve is already on staff. We don’t have to hire him.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:36 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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Underwhelming and bad are not the same.
To flesh this out fully, underwhelming doesn't equal bad in a vacuum, however that is not how life works.
Are we not LSU? Are we not one of a handful of athletic departments that is in the black and donates money back to the university?
Ok, so with those facts in mind, as well as my previous point that past experience/ productivity will place certain expectations on a potential candidate/ hire, underwhelming is defined as not possessing the expected qualities, chops, history, etc. This is then defined as a "bad" hire considering the hires that should be able to be made and considered on par with the program.
Sure could a hire run a successful offense... yes that is possible.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:38 pm to beauchristopher
Lsu fans were promised an exciting productive offense.
Dont take my original post as support for this move.
Jusy trying to present the thought process.
Dont take my original post as support for this move.
Jusy trying to present the thought process.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:39 pm to Chicken
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ust saying that Miles was mostly fired for declining conference record
SEC was horrible this year. We lost to Miss St and still didn't beat Bama.
This wasn't an upgrade so comparing this to Miles and putting it in a positive light, is pumping.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:39 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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Underwhelming does not equal bad
It's not good.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:39 pm to Chicken
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Not pumping, just saying that Miles was mostly fired for declining conference record
It was for promising to re-vamp the offense and not doing it. It was for promising a positive change and not providing it.
It's almost like O sat and thought, "How did Les get fired? Maybe I'll do the same and see if it happens to me."
It's madness. When Les changed from the "river boat gambler" to the "Bo Schembechler throwback" it was the beginning of the end for him. O has chosen to do this at an accelerated rate before achieving the success that Les had.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:40 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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I just dont want these two great coaches to to be bashed. If I have my way, this is not even an option.
Well put the blame where it belongs, with Orgeron for putting him into the crosshairs. Criticism comes with the job.
It's nothing personal towards him. I can see that you think highly of the man.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:43 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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Lsu fans were promised an exciting productive offense. Dont take my original post as support for this move. Jusy trying to present the thought process.
That thought process is a back-tracking of all the promises that were made.
You said yourself, the reason to hire Steve is that O, Alleva and the staff were fearful of whiffing on the next hire. They want to be sure they do no wrong. If they are making business decisions based on fear, they need to be replaced. Now.
A&M is the model. The mistakes they are making (if any) will be made because they are aiming too high, acting too aggressively. In the end, I'm convinced they are following the more correct path.
If O, Alleva and the decision-makers are truly too fearful to pull the trigger on an OC hire, despite the fact they can double or triple someone else's salary, they need to go. They have huge salaries and huge buyouts so that they are supported in making high-risk/high-reward business decisions.
This is simply unacceptable.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:46 pm to AnotherRound
lsu should be acting like it is Lsu. The past few years leadership has made many errors in rush judgments. I do not want to be aTm where money will buy the biggest ?? sandwich repeatedly.
Best Coach, best fit, best recruitier with the highest floor and no ceiling. Some of these “big names” my have no cieling but an extremely low floor.
My top 3 in this order are Yurich, Gilbert, and Kubic.
Best Coach, best fit, best recruitier with the highest floor and no ceiling. Some of these “big names” my have no cieling but an extremely low floor.
My top 3 in this order are Yurich, Gilbert, and Kubic.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:48 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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My top 3 in this order are Yurich, Gilbert, and Kubic.
Legit list. I feel like the people who are trying to talk themselves into Ensminger are seeking out worse options to compare him to.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:50 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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My top 3 in this order are Yurich, Gilbert, and Kubic.
I think most of us would be happy with any of those three guys. How are any of them more risky that Steve? If it has anything to do with "maybe they won't be able to work with O", then O needs to be a better professional and manage more effectively. What else does he have since he doesn't bring anything strategically.
Make it happen. Pull the trigger on one of those three guys. A&M could do it. So can LSU.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:51 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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I do not want to be aTm where money will buy the biggest ?? sandwich repeatedly
Why not? Isn't that how we got Saban, a terrific group of assistants and how we ended up building the facilities that put LSU into the elite class of college football?
You want us to win, LSU has to walk around with the big swinging you know what unapologetically. We're a far cry from that right now.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:53 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
So far you have 12 people on board with your idea, TBL. No bueno
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:57 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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This would be a safe hire for O. O cannot afford fo whiff twice. This hire would not be a whiff. It would basically ensure O did not decline further. If a young gun comes in and whiffs, everyone is gone!
Safe for O is correct. The offense will be good enough to hide behind the D and beat the teams with inferior talent. When on a level playing field, that offensive staff will be coached circles around. If 10 wins and New Year’s Day consolation bowl makes you content, then these are great hires. O can continue to plod on as empathy will continue to grow through the fan base.
A&M may fail but frick at least they’re going for it.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:57 pm to TigahTeeth
I am not running for office so I dont give a crap what the masses think.
To many people regurgitate only what they want to hear.
To many people regurgitate only what they want to hear.
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