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re: Trying to be objective...is O really a bad decision?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:01 pm to molsusports
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:01 pm to molsusports
Chizik went from ISU to auburn
Orgeron had 2 interim HC jobs and 10 years of experience (learning) between ole miss stint and LSU stint.
You still think they are comparible?
Orgeron had 2 interim HC jobs and 10 years of experience (learning) between ole miss stint and LSU stint.
You still think they are comparible?
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:13 pm to roscoe mike
Yes.. Lsu is considered at worst a top 10 job.. U don't hand that job to a career dline coach who bombed at your sec's rival. U make him prove he can be a HC at a mid major and if he does really well then u consider him
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:25 pm to Topwater Trout
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Chizik went from ISU to auburn
Orgeron had 2 interim HC jobs and 10 years of experience (learning) between ole miss stint and LSU stint.
You still think they are comparible?
Of course they are. They are the best data Auburn and now LSU had about their new head coaches. Being head coach is a different thing than interim. And Orgeron's more recent interim results really weren't good if you look at wins versus losses versus good opponents. The data we have are pretty consistent.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:07 am to molsusports
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And Orgeron's more recent interim results really weren't good if you look at wins versus losses versus good opponents.
I really don't see how people can't see this. If he would've beat florida, he would have done kind of argument. Not a good one, but one nonetheless.
He beat no teams that we're as talented as LSU. ZERO
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:10 am to roscoe mike
Awful hire, Syracuse hired Dino Babers over O.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:08 am to roscoe mike
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who is a proven, successful, top tier head coach. I suppose it depends on how you define "top tier".
Gundy
Chad Morris
Fedora
all would have been better than orgeron.
This was quite possibly the dumbest hire we could have made.
He will have one good season, next year.. prob 10 wins.. and then 8-4, 7-5 when his coordinators leave and he locks in a big contract after the first 10 win season.. you heard it here first..
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:13 am to roscoe mike
O is a terrific decision and was the best option for Alleva. You professional nega-tigers gripe about everything, and have no idea whether O, Herman, Fischer, or Chip Kelly would successful at LSU. He is our coach so we ALL need to get behind the program. How many of you complainers have every coached football? Go O
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:13 am to roscoe mike
No
He has an accent
He can make a roux
He wanted the job
CLEARLY QUALIFIED
He has an accent
He can make a roux
He wanted the job
CLEARLY QUALIFIED
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:17 am to molsusports
The guy at USC and Dabo were both interim coaches right?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:18 am to SportTiger1
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If he would've beat florida, he would have done kind of argument
1 foot short, dominated them, players lost that game
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:22 am to Topwater Trout
USC fans still have question marks about Helton. 
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:31 am to Topwater Trout
I know a dead horse can never be beaten enough, so...
I at least can understand the rational behind Alleva's decision. Last year we had an outstanding defense but our offense continued to remain un-evolved from the 1970s. Orgeron, as interim, showed the offense could be tweaked to get more out of it and the defense continued to play well.
So when the two unanimous home-run hires couldn't be lured here Alleva considered Coach O as being able to keep the best of what we have (mainly the defense, defensive staff AND world-class recruiters) intact and being able to bring in a 1st rate offensive coordinator. He could ensure he can afford to do this by paying O $3.5 and using the rest to lure the best coordinators.
Life is a gamble but one can argue that this plan was the least likely to explode the team strengths and I think the fact we don't have that offensive coordinator yet under contract and are missing on some recruits is putting O's hire under the microscope. If Kiffin was on board and we had 3-4 stud linebackers committed I don't think O's hire would be under as much scrutiny at this point, and those things could well happen before February.
I at least can understand the rational behind Alleva's decision. Last year we had an outstanding defense but our offense continued to remain un-evolved from the 1970s. Orgeron, as interim, showed the offense could be tweaked to get more out of it and the defense continued to play well.
So when the two unanimous home-run hires couldn't be lured here Alleva considered Coach O as being able to keep the best of what we have (mainly the defense, defensive staff AND world-class recruiters) intact and being able to bring in a 1st rate offensive coordinator. He could ensure he can afford to do this by paying O $3.5 and using the rest to lure the best coordinators.
Life is a gamble but one can argue that this plan was the least likely to explode the team strengths and I think the fact we don't have that offensive coordinator yet under contract and are missing on some recruits is putting O's hire under the microscope. If Kiffin was on board and we had 3-4 stud linebackers committed I don't think O's hire would be under as much scrutiny at this point, and those things could well happen before February.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:31 am to c on z
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USC fans still have question marks about Helton.
but are they a laughingstock with the hire? LSU fans think we are when I haven't seen many laughing
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:16 am to Topwater Trout
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The guy at USC and Dabo were both interim coaches right?
Neither of them were previously head coaches with a 10-25 record
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:20 am to roscoe mike
idk about bad decision but definitely a HUGE gamble. Alleva's career riding on it so if he fails meh. bye felicia, bring in a competent AD and hire PJ!
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:27 am to frankenfish
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Life is a gamble but one can argue that this plan was the least likely to explode the team strengths and I think the fact we don't have that offensive coordinator yet under contract and are missing on some recruits is putting O's hire under the microscope.
I think its as simple as some guys had their favorites and since we didn't get them or interview them they will always shite on O instead of being optimistic that he MAY have learned from his past
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:35 am to roscoe mike
Worst case scenario, it was a complete failure by Alleva with no backup plan.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:45 am to Topwater Trout
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1 foot short, dominated them, players lost that game
Thanks for the preview of some of the excuses you geniuses are going to make for O after each loss during the upcoming 4-7 loss seasons.
Blame the players
Blame the OC
Blame the DC
Blame the weather
Blame the game time
Blame the field conditions
Blame the refs
Blame....anyone but Orgeron
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:49 am to Topwater Trout
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I think its as simple as some guys had their favorites and since we didn't get them or interview them they will always shite on O instead of being optimistic that he MAY have learned from his past
I'm sure he has learned form his past mistakes but this is real life, not a feel good story.
Has he improved enough to start beating guys that didn't make the mistakes he made in the first place? Those guys he's competing against, they're getting better too. It's not like O is getting better and all of those other guys are stagnant. So when you look at it that way, the odds are against him.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:53 am to Topwater Trout
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1 foot short, dominated them, players lost that game
Sure the team made mistakes. But the game plan was very conservative and O coaches tight. We should've beat the Crap out of them.
Bama scored 57 on florida. Think about that.
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