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re: Trying to be objective...is O really a bad decision?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:15 pm to roscoe mike
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:15 pm to roscoe mike
Yes... We should have kept Miles and saved some $ if this was the course we wanted
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:17 pm to ShermanTxTiger
People in the Athletic Dept are too comfortable. It needs to be nuked.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:18 pm to roscoe mike
I think the circumstances around the decision (firing miles early, rushing in to the hire, not conducting a proper search) are worse than the product we probably end up getting from O if that makes sense. I don't think he's going to tank the program and he very well may catch lightning in a bottle one year if he keeps up the lights out recruiting, but I just feel we didn't explore our options nearly as closely as we should've.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:23 pm to TigerinDunbarton
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Fisher lost 7 games, 3 by blowout, in less than 2 years
OH NOZ
Saban lost 8 games in 2 years with talented teams. See 2007 and 2008
Meyer lost 5 games in 2 years with a ton of talent. See 2007 and 2008.
Meyer lost 6 games in 2 more years with a ton of talent. See 2009 and 2010.
Now tell me GENIUS, what do fisher and Meyer and Saban all have in common? Not just nattys. They all have nattys at TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS as some type of coach!
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:24 pm to roscoe mike
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who else is available who is a proven, successful, top tier head coach. I suppose it depends on how you define "top tier".
Please explain to me the qualifications O has to lead LSU's football team.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:25 pm to roscoe mike
Not at all. They'll all cry and point to ole Miss as if it's relevant. O was the rational and right hire at this time. They'll all see it eventually.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:26 pm to bencoleman
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O was the rational and right hire at this time
Why?
How is he qualified to be the head coach at LSU?
What are his credentials?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
I've always thought better of you unless you are trolling then continue.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:30 pm to roscoe mike
If he gets a great OC and other great coaches, no.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:31 pm to Fat Bastard
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Now tell me GENIUS, what do fisher and Meyer and Saban all have in common? Not just nattys. They all have nattys at TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS!
If you count Fisher as a non-HC for Nattys at 2 different schools-- then Coach O is in the same boat-- nattys at Miami and USC, no?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:31 pm to roscoe mike
I think you're in the wrong room for objectivity.
Nice thoughts though.
Or... you could just be pissed off and leave the country like all the hilldawg supporters.
Nice thoughts though.
Or... you could just be pissed off and leave the country like all the hilldawg supporters.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:34 pm to CBandits82
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What are his credentials
Are you really this fricking stupid?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:39 pm to bencoleman
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Are you really this fricking stupid?
Who would of hired him away from us as HC?
What qualifies Orgeron to be a Head Coach at LSU?
Maybe a better questions is what qualifies Orgeron to be a head coach at a mid-major?
I'll wait.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:40 pm to roscoe mike
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is O really a bad decision
Yes, O is a really bad decision, but even worse than ending up with O is how our esteemed AD handled the whole coaching search. And I'm not surprised considering how he handled other coaching hires here.
We should all be embarrassed that Alleva is our AD. The guy is a spineless pussy.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:45 pm to roscoe mike
Hiring the interim guy can end up like Dabo or like Bobby Williams, John L, and Bill Stewart.
The CEO style can work like with Dabo or the old guys who just recruit (Bobby Bowden). However, as been said ad nauseum on here, that system is heavily dependent on assistant continuity.
I see Orgeron as Brady Hoke. Very likable guy who can recruit well, but should not be running the ship.
The CEO style can work like with Dabo or the old guys who just recruit (Bobby Bowden). However, as been said ad nauseum on here, that system is heavily dependent on assistant continuity.
I see Orgeron as Brady Hoke. Very likable guy who can recruit well, but should not be running the ship.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:59 pm to bencoleman
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They'll all cry and point to ole Miss as if it's relevant.
Why would it be irrelevant? would it be irrelevant if we were hiring some other team's DL coach to replace Miles?
in all the years O has been a coach, he's had only one stop where he has had full control of the reigns of his own program for several years. That one time was Ole Miss. It was an abject failure by even Ole Miss of that time frame standards.
Did SC stay afloat while he was their interim head coach? Yep. And yet, at the end of the day, SC looked at the job he did and the job he had done the only other time he'd be a full time head coach and decided to go another direction. The fact that they hired poorly doesn't make that the wrong move.
Did LSU stay afloat while he was our interim? Yep. I'd go so far as to say that LSU played better while we was the interim. I'd also add that he did precisely what nearly every poster on this site has been saying for years, which was slightly open up the offense, and he saw immediate success.
So his resume is one of one abject failure when he's the main man in charge responsible solely for hiring, firing, running the program, etc. He's had two successful, albeit minimally so, turns as the interim HC for two loaded teams which jettisoned the HC early in the season.
Frankly...the only thing that IS relevant, as far as I'm concerned, is his Ole Miss stint. As of today, he has STILL never been a successful full time head coach at any program, let alone a Power 5 one. Call me cynical, but I'd have kind of sort of preferred we hired a guy that had shown the ability to at least go .500 as a head coach of his own program before giving him ours.
The mileage of others CLEARLY varies...
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:05 pm to roscoe mike
First, it was time for Miles to go, period (.) How Many thought Saban was a 'homerun' when he was hired? Miles?
No one the frick knows how it will turn out with O - No. The. frick. One.
O is well-credentialed and his football/coaching pedigree is outstanding: played on the same Northwestern State team with the likes of Hebert, Reasons, Duper, and Bertrand (he's a buddy of mine so I threw him in just in case he sees this) and coached under Hatfield, Johnson, Pasqualoni, Carroll, and Payton.
Not only is that an impressive-fricking-list of mentors, his years with those coaches included teams that won a boatload of things like conference and national titles, not to mention many winning records, big time games, and bowls.
He has an intangible benefit of understanding on a visceral level the meaning and importance of LSU football to the state and to its fans.
Further, he has notched plenty of time in the head coach position and, at this point in his life and career, demonstrated perhaps the most difficult and important factor in any human's development: the ability to learn from his mistakes (and presumably, others') and grow.
If anyone thinks he has a candidate resume that doesn't compare respectably with most any legitimate candidate then, with all due respect, I think you're stupid, dumb asses.
It's a perfectly reasonable hire when factoring all angles -including exigency, budget, and actual candidate availability (as opposed to wish-lists or faux-candidates angling to leverage their own deals).
We in the great LSU family, proud wearers of purple and gold (unlike those who wear the hideous-colored jerseys of the red team) should just cool down and give O a chance.
Short Version: Not a bad hire and I hope like hell it turns out good!

No one the frick knows how it will turn out with O - No. The. frick. One.
O is well-credentialed and his football/coaching pedigree is outstanding: played on the same Northwestern State team with the likes of Hebert, Reasons, Duper, and Bertrand (he's a buddy of mine so I threw him in just in case he sees this) and coached under Hatfield, Johnson, Pasqualoni, Carroll, and Payton.
Not only is that an impressive-fricking-list of mentors, his years with those coaches included teams that won a boatload of things like conference and national titles, not to mention many winning records, big time games, and bowls.
He has an intangible benefit of understanding on a visceral level the meaning and importance of LSU football to the state and to its fans.
Further, he has notched plenty of time in the head coach position and, at this point in his life and career, demonstrated perhaps the most difficult and important factor in any human's development: the ability to learn from his mistakes (and presumably, others') and grow.
If anyone thinks he has a candidate resume that doesn't compare respectably with most any legitimate candidate then, with all due respect, I think you're stupid, dumb asses.
It's a perfectly reasonable hire when factoring all angles -including exigency, budget, and actual candidate availability (as opposed to wish-lists or faux-candidates angling to leverage their own deals).
We in the great LSU family, proud wearers of purple and gold (unlike those who wear the hideous-colored jerseys of the red team) should just cool down and give O a chance.
Short Version: Not a bad hire and I hope like hell it turns out good!


Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:07 pm to TigerinDunbarton
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think it is home run.
It's not Joe. Not a homerun hire. Now go have something done with that schnoz of yours.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:11 pm to roscoe mike
He will be a Gene Chizik. Hire a good OC, win the natty, switch to pro style, get fired in year 4
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