re: Truth about Kragthorpe

Krag does not excite me one bit. Yuck.

However, I will take him over Crowton any day of the week and twice on Sundays. At this point, I would take Matt Millen as our OC.

So, Krag may not be that great OC we hoped for...but at least he is not Crowton. That is what we all need to remember.

Not Crowton.

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Truth about Kragthorpe
I've heard several people on here claiming how he has a proven track record as an OC, so I did some statistical digging. The due is, as many have claimed, overrated and another Crowton.

Here are his stats while OC at A&M including their 1998 Big XII title year (his worst by far there):

ypg/ppg (National Ranking)

1998:
Passing - 159.3 (87)
Rushing - 152.7 (54)
Total - 312 (91)
Scoring - 24.7 (55)

1999:
Passing - 228.5 (43)
Rushing - 145.6 (60)
Total - 374.1 (58)
Scoring - 28.9 (39)

2000:
Passing - 235.3 (35)
Rushing - 143.36 (59)
Total - 381.64 (49)
Scoring - 27.91 (46)

Average:
Passing - 207.7 (55)
Rushing - 147.22 (57.7)
Total - 355.9 (66)
Scoring - 27.7 (46.7)

Doesn't look that impressive to me. He was okay at A&M, but nothing special.

Averages the past 3 years under Crowton:
Passing - 179.5 (91.7)
Rushing - 155.77 (54.7)
Total - 335.1 (86)
Scoring - 28.17 (52.3)

So LSU has rushed better and scored more under Crowton the past three seasons than A&M did for 3 years under Kragthorpe. Looks mighty impressive to me.

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i'm not here to pimp kragthorpe. i just bring reality into the mix. check out lsu's offensive numbers in 2006 and 2007. they ranked lower in the nation in 07 than 06. however, the had the best offense in school history in 07. does the national stat tell the whole truth?

secondly, kragthorpe took over a tulsa team that one 2 ball games in 2 years. would you expect the offense to be lights out with that kind of program? the key is, he improved the team and brought them to their first bowl game in many years. after he left, he left enough talent and a quality team for their offense to finish in the top 10. bottom line, he improved tulsa.

third, you may want to be these smaller teams with great offensive rankings. i really don't care about tulsa, houston, oklahoma state, ect. offensive stats are for losers. usually a team that has a lead and is winning the game isn't looking to pad the stats. they take the air out of the ball to win the game. therefore, their offensive stats aren't as pretty as they could be.

fourth, to further prove my point on offensive stats, wisconsin put up 80 points in a game this year to keep them ranked high for a b.c.s. bowl. however, they couldn't score in the 20's when they got in the game. their offensive stats looked good for the regular season but were really fools gold.

i'm not saying lsu doesn't need to improve on offense or krag is the savior. you guy's that focus on where a offense ranks in the nation are simplifying things way to much. the offensive leaders change every year.

lsu needs an offensive coach that fits the les miles philosophy offensively. that guy needs to be able to coach that philosophy and recruit the talent that fits that philosophy. lsu doesn't need some guy that happens to be ranked high nationally in offensive yardage for 2010.

Also funny how as soon as he fired Charlie Stubbs, his OC for all 4 years at Tulsa and his first and best offensive season at Louisville, the UL offense went to utter shite under Krags control.

How interesting.

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He is then credited with coaching Drew Bledsoe for his first year in Buffalo. Mind you, Bledsoe was in his 10th year and had already been both to a Super Bowl and been to 3 pro-bowls. He wasn't traded because he sucked, but because Tom Brady had emerged, was cheaper and younger, and the new face of the franchise.

That said, Kragthorpe magically made him a pro-bowler again to some idiots.

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This doesn't help your argument at all.

So Bledsoe leaves a SB contending team to go to Buffalo.

Here's his numbers last full year in NE:

52.9%, 3,291 yards, `17 TDs, 13 INT, 6.2 YPA

First year in Buffalo:
61.5% (career high), 4,359 yards (2nd only to 94 when he had 80 more attempts, 24 TDs, `15 INT, 7.1 YPA

So he improved his completion percentage by around 8% and his YPA by a whole yard.

You are kinda re-writing history suggesting Bledsoe was some awesome QB when traded to Buffalo.

Certainly still had some ability but he was turning 30, struggled with injuries and many questioned whether he could still play.

dude are you really posting stats from 10 years ago? i'm pretty sure i can find a state that Crowton had the 3rd best offense in the NFL with Da Bears...what the hell does this prove?

I posted the stats from 3 of his 4 years as an OC. Would you like to see his Crowtonesque trend at UL?

You have people sucking him off for Drew Bledsoe's good year in 9 years ago.

If we go by recent history, he may be one of the worst hires of a coordinator in LSU history, even rivaling Tepper and Malveto.

Again, given the money we spend on coordinators, we should do better.

Kragthorpe has been a real OC for 4 years in the past 13 years.

3 at A&M which were mediocre overall.
1 at UL where they had an atrocious offense.

His best years came when he was a HC and had Stubbs as his OC.

Magically when Stubbs leaves UL after Krags first year there, the offense drops off dramatically. I wonder why.

He's also overrated as a QB coach.

Why does having a 'big name' coordinator matter? Most schools don't have a big shot calling the plays.. what matters is that he runs a simple, effective offense that utilizes our talent.

I don't give a frick if it's Mike Leach, Mark Richt, or my grandmother calling the plays as long as he scores points.

Who left remaining is a 'good hire'.. that would be interested and fits Miles philosophy.

People in the sport respect Krags QB grooming and playcalling skill so much that after he destroyed Louisville's program, he was so in demand that he was hired as a freaking WR coach.

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IIRC his wife was sick as frick..

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That's why he wasn't on staff at A&M this year. Is there any credible source linking him to a job opening, or is this just hypothetical arguing?