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re: True or False: If you are a top 15 type program...
Posted on 12/12/10 at 12:59 pm to TheFranchise
Posted on 12/12/10 at 12:59 pm to TheFranchise
quote:i think this is a big difference between a coordinator hire and WM. hes learned under saban, tuberville, and mack brown. pretty good trio to learn from.
He's seen a lot of different styles under various bosses and is not just stuck into some sort of a mold.
quote:agreed
Plus, you'd have to think his youth is a factor is UF's decision after having a HC with some health-related issues. If he is successful, he could conceivably be at UF for years.
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formulas, formulas, formulas.... there is no formula for hiring hc's, for hiring anyone in fact. oh, there are parameters and criteria, but no formulas. both dinardo and hallman were successful coaches at div 1 schools so you shot your own theory out of the water. as far as uf goes, they have a program that can survive a mediocre hire and muschamp may indeed turn out that way. but who knows? pelini turned out pretty good for nebraska; fischer turned out good for fsu. you just don't know. i think if muschamp can hire good assts, he'll be fine. he knows what it takes to win football games.
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Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:02 pm to LSU GrandDad
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both dinardo and hallman were successful coaches at div 1 schools so you shot your own theory out of the water.
Dinardo had a losing record at Vanderbilt. In fact he never had a single winning season at Vandy and never finished better than 5th in the SECE. Hallman did not win at a BCS school. I didn't say Div 1, I said BCS or equivalent.
And yes, I was probably to quick to say "sure thing" because nothing is a sure thing. The Rich Rod example was a good one. But the criteria I gave are more indicative of success imo. Anything is a risk. Successful risks at schools that are down can bring them back up.
This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:05 pm to lsumatt
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That worked out with Meyer at Florida...not so much at Colorado
It all depends a lot on where your program is. Colorado was a mess and has handcuffed themselves. Through out the 90's LSU was running the program on the cheap. Once we were willing to pay money for a coach, we got Saban and a lot better football team.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:16 pm to ProjectP2294
He's a Saban disciple.
You can throw the HC experience thing out the window.
You can throw the HC experience thing out the window.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:17 pm to Chd1478
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He's a Saban disciple.
You can throw the HC experience thing out the window.
Just like with Bobby Williams
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:26 pm to lsumatt
Stoops & Richt turned out okay for Top 15 Program's Oklahoma & Georgia. Ohio State also did just fine in their choice of Jim Tressel who was coming from 1-AA Youngstown State. I bring up the 3 names above because they all are 3 of the winningest coaches in college football in the last 10 years & didn't meet your criteria and they all got a Head Coaching gig at 3 of the Top 15 Programs in college football with Tressel & Stoops getting jobs at 2 of the Top 5 best programs in America.
This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:33 pm to Kunka
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Stoops & Richt turned out okay for Top 15 Program's Oklahoma & Georgia.
I feel like I am a broken record. I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting that if a coach DOESN'T meet the criteria that they WON'T succeed. Muschamp may end up being Joe Paterno. I just don't think the #1 program in the country can afford to take the risk to find out.
Now, Oklahoma and Georgia were both down when they hired Stoops and Richt. There were in a perfect position to take a risk. They did and it worked perfectly. Same with Nebraska and Pelini.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:46 pm to lsumatt
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I just don't think the #1 program in the country can afford to take the risk to find out.
they shouldn't have too is the better way to put it. But the important questions is who that mets the criteria should they have gotten? Mullen seems logically, but otehrs, like Petrino might just use the leverage to get a better deal from their current school.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
it all depends on the makeup of the coach. look at what pellini did at Nebraska.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:53 pm to lsumatt
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there is no excuse for hiring a coach without 1) head coaching experience and 3) with a winning record.
True. I dont think its necessary to be at a BCS or NFL level but you have to show that you can win consistently and manage the program as a Head Coach at your respective level.
The only exception is promoting from within and even that is still iffy.
Any program that is top 10 should find someone who has shown they can handle more than just one side of the ball.
As for Foley if I was a UF fan id be pretty ready to run this guy out of town. Thats 2 out of 3 football hires that are head scratchers. No matter how muschamp turns out UF should never have to settle for a coordinator.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:53 pm to lsumatt
quote:and i would argue those are 10X tougher situations. florida has lots of momentum right now. they need someone to keep the ball rolling. we know muschamp can recruit. he can coach up the D. put someone in charge of the O (applewhite doesnt seem like a great hire right now). i just dont know why everyone thinks florida will completely fall off and lose every game now. any hire outside of harbaugh would have been a downgrade IMO
Now, Oklahoma and Georgia were both down when they hired Stoops and Richt. There were in a perfect position to take a risk. They did and it worked perfectly. Same with Nebraska and Pelini.
This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:59 pm to Adam Banks
One thing that has not been mentioned is that Texas named Muschamp the Head Coach in waiting. I realize this is not the same as meeting your criteria. But, clearly Texas is a top program and they felt Muschamp was ready to be a HC or they wouldn't have paid him almost a million per year to keep him from taking the Tenn job etc. The point is Muschamp doesn't fit your typical DC hire to HC.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 2:05 pm to lsumatt
I'm sure Auburn disagrees with you.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 2:28 pm to lsumatt
quote:
there is no excuse for hiring a coach without 1) head coaching experience at a 2) BCS school or NFL and 3) with a winning record. True for me.
True.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 2:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I feel like LSU set the standard with Saban in 2000 and then Miles in 2005. They both had a winning records in BCS conferences. The records weren't great (7-5 on average), but if they could do that at Mich State and Ok State, what would they do at a program with better resources, but similar competition? It was hard to imagine them not being successful.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 2:49 pm to lsumatt
so is Mark D'antonio the best coach in the country?
Of course I jest I just don't think this is the be all end all. I agree with the views that you need to be able to manage a program more than having the coaching stats
Of course I jest I just don't think this is the be all end all. I agree with the views that you need to be able to manage a program more than having the coaching stats
This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/12/10 at 3:00 pm to Buckeye06
Don't want to argue with the whole "stars don't matter" crowd, but I still contend that college football coaching is mostly recruiting and having great assistants.
If you strike gold and get a program changing guy like Cam Newton, Mark Ingram/Trent Richardson, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Reggie Bush, etc. on your team, you'll look like a coaching genius.
And yes, Ron Zook is an exception to the rule.
If you strike gold and get a program changing guy like Cam Newton, Mark Ingram/Trent Richardson, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Reggie Bush, etc. on your team, you'll look like a coaching genius.
And yes, Ron Zook is an exception to the rule.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 3:54 pm to lsumatt
False
Posted on 12/12/10 at 4:19 pm to lsumatt
false for me
Posted on 12/12/10 at 4:24 pm to tigerfoot
For those saying false. If Miles left LSU tomorrow
1. Which coaches with a losing record as HC would you be happy with hiring
2. Which coaches who has zero head coaching experience would you be happy with
3. Which coaches from non-BCS/NFL schools would you be happy with (other than Boise/TCU's coach).
1. Which coaches with a losing record as HC would you be happy with hiring
2. Which coaches who has zero head coaching experience would you be happy with
3. Which coaches from non-BCS/NFL schools would you be happy with (other than Boise/TCU's coach).
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