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To the Derek Mason supporters - NO!
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:51 am
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:51 am
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:52 am to AnotherRound
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This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 2:36 am
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:53 am to beauchristopher
Great and valid questions.
It is dumbfounding.
It is dumbfounding.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:54 am to AnotherRound
A young, bright defensive mind needs to be brought on. Seriously.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:55 am to AnotherRound
Who do you think are some better options?
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:56 am to AnotherRound
Marcus Freeman is successful, young, and hungry, and probably a lot cheaper than Mason.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 8:57 am
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:56 am to beauchristopher
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How is LSU not more attractive to great DCs? Are they even trying?
Cause our HC isn't capable of standing up to the AD. People knocked Les, but at least Les hired who he wanted. Not getting the vibes that CEO is. (Canada - Alleva and Pelini - Woodward). My guess is that Ensminger was allowed because Alleva fricked up the Canada approach.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:59 am to UpToPar
I'm not married to a certain person. There have been a few already mentioned on the board - all of which are young and at smaller schools.
Guiding principles: I do want someone with a some proven success and youth - this speaks to current offenses and will bring a more hungry attitude. The complete opposite to who O normally goes after.
It really isn't rocket science.
Guiding principles: I do want someone with a some proven success and youth - this speaks to current offenses and will bring a more hungry attitude. The complete opposite to who O normally goes after.
It really isn't rocket science.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:03 am to AnotherRound
It feels like people on this board are looking at youth for the sake of looking at youth. If we can find a young DC that fits, perfect. But I don't think it's wise to pass up an established DC for a young guy just for the sake of hiring someone that's young.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:03 am to TaderSalad
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Cause our HC isn't capable of standing up to the AD. People knocked Les, but at least Les hired who he wanted. Not getting the vibes that CEO is. (Canada - Alleva and Pelini - Woodward). My guess is that Ensminger was allowed because Alleva fricked up the Canada approach.
or our HC did make those choices on his own and is terrible at picking
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:07 am to UpToPar
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It feels like people on this board are looking at youth for the sake of looking at youth. If we can find a young DC that fits, perfect. But I don't think it's wise to pass up an established DC for a young guy just for the sake of hiring someone that's young.
That's logical and I agree with your assessment. Again, if we use the trend as our friend with O, coaches are much older.
I am not looking at youth as a specific age, but as an indicator. If Pelini had the 3rd most rounds at University GC, I don't think you get that with an up and comer.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:14 am to Andychapman13
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Marcus Freeman is successful, young, and hungry, and probably a lot cheaper than Mason.
I read that Freeman is making 425k
we were paying Bo nearly 2 million more, per year
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:16 am to UpToPar
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It feels like people on this board are looking at youth for the sake of looking at youth. If we can find a young DC that fits, perfect. But I don't think it's wise to pass up an established DC for a young guy just for the sake of hiring someone that's young.
I'm with you here. People keep mentioning Freeman because he's "young and hungry". Maybe his success with Cincy is due to Fickell? Fickell was a hell of a defensive coach at Ohio State. Freeman on the other hand was co-DC of one of the worst defenses in the country at Purdue.
I'm not against hiring Freeman, but I don't get why he seems to be an infinitely better option than someone like Mason in the eyes of some fans.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:17 am to AnotherRound
I think the problem is people see what Brady was able to do with our offense and assume the formula for that type of success is to hire a young guy with not much experience and bam, instant success.
But people don't realize that Brady was the exception, not the rule.
I'm not saying we need to go out an hire some 70 year old dinosaur, but hiring somebody with an establish pedigree is more likely to lead to success than taking a chance on a young up and comer. If it were up to this board, Sark would be off the table as an OC and Elko would be off the table as a DC.
Orgeron can't afford to get this wrong and he knows it. I don't think he's going to take a chance on someone without much experience.
But people don't realize that Brady was the exception, not the rule.
I'm not saying we need to go out an hire some 70 year old dinosaur, but hiring somebody with an establish pedigree is more likely to lead to success than taking a chance on a young up and comer. If it were up to this board, Sark would be off the table as an OC and Elko would be off the table as a DC.
Orgeron can't afford to get this wrong and he knows it. I don't think he's going to take a chance on someone without much experience.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:20 am to nvasil1
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I'm not against hiring Freeman, but I don't get why he seems to be an infinitely better option than someone like Mason in the eyes of some fans.
He's not. For the reasons you mentioned, he's a huge risk/huge reward hire. Could he be a homerun hire like Brady? Absolutely. But, he could also fall flat on his face. IMO, I don't think Orgeron is willing to bet his job on a big risk/big reward type of hire, but we'll see.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:21 am to AnotherRound
I think Mason would be a decent hire, but we need the best fit for our program. If thats a young up and comer, fantasitc. If it's an established DC, also fantastic. We just need a good one.
I remember a few years ago when this board was head over heels for Pete Golding at UTSA and now Bama,young and bright. They are winning, but let's be honest, Bama would win no matter who Saban puts there.
Just going by O's history of making hires. Mason would be more of what he would go for. I believe at least the players would respect and play harder for Mason than they would for Pelini.
I welcome a young guy with something to prove, but O would no doubt get his feelings hurt eventually and there would be problems. We don't need any more of that , especially on defense.
I remember a few years ago when this board was head over heels for Pete Golding at UTSA and now Bama,young and bright. They are winning, but let's be honest, Bama would win no matter who Saban puts there.
Just going by O's history of making hires. Mason would be more of what he would go for. I believe at least the players would respect and play harder for Mason than they would for Pelini.
I welcome a young guy with something to prove, but O would no doubt get his feelings hurt eventually and there would be problems. We don't need any more of that , especially on defense.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:23 am to ApexTiger
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Sources: University of Cincinnati DC Marcus Freeman has agreed to a new two-year contract. It pays $600,000 in the first year, with the $75,000 raise privately fund raised. Freeman was courted hard by multiple Power 5 schools and the NFL last off-season.
LINK
Your point still stands though
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:33 am to TaderSalad
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Cause our HC isn't capable of standing up to the AD. People knocked Les, but at least Les hired who he wanted. Not getting the vibes that CEO is. (Canada - Alleva and Pelini - Woodward). My guess is that Ensminger was allowed because Alleva fricked up the Canada approach.
This is stupid. O sold LSU on bringing in the best coordinators in the country and seems to only want to hire geriatric retreads that have not been relevant for years. The problem wasn’t that he hired Canada. The problem was he didn’t do his due diligence to ensure the fit was good for both parties.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:38 am to AnotherRound
How about we look at Vanderbilt's defensive rankings prior to and during Mason's tenure. Leaving out 2020 because it's garbage.
Prior (Shoop, who is a beast):
2011: PPG 29th, YPP 11th
2012: PPG 15th, YPP 16th
2013: PPG 44th, YPP 25th
With Mason:
2014: PPG 106th, YPP 81st
2015: PPG 22nd, YPP 33rd
2016: PPG 35th, YPP 82nd
2017: PPG 88th, YPP 83rd
2018: PPG 60th, YPP 103rd
2019: PPG 95th, YPP 117th
So it appears he had one really strong year in 2015 on the defensive side and the rest are garbage. But in 2015, he took over DC play-calling himself so that is a big plus.
But I fall back on how poorly he recruited compared to predecessor at Vanderbilt. I don't think he enjoys or is any good at recruiting.
Prior (Shoop, who is a beast):
2011: PPG 29th, YPP 11th
2012: PPG 15th, YPP 16th
2013: PPG 44th, YPP 25th
With Mason:
2014: PPG 106th, YPP 81st
2015: PPG 22nd, YPP 33rd
2016: PPG 35th, YPP 82nd
2017: PPG 88th, YPP 83rd
2018: PPG 60th, YPP 103rd
2019: PPG 95th, YPP 117th
So it appears he had one really strong year in 2015 on the defensive side and the rest are garbage. But in 2015, he took over DC play-calling himself so that is a big plus.
But I fall back on how poorly he recruited compared to predecessor at Vanderbilt. I don't think he enjoys or is any good at recruiting.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:41 am to CatfishJohn
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CatfishJohn
Thanks for the stats. Yep, that is what I see - not great defense.
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But I fall back on how poorly he recruited compared to predecessor at Vanderbilt. I don't think he enjoys or is any good at recruiting.
If true, I wouldn't like my OC or DC not recruiting well.
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