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re: This Kelly love reminds me of the Schiano love...
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:13 pm to LSUtigahs28
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:13 pm to LSUtigahs28
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The history of the programs show the two are equivalent.
What does what happened in the 1940's have to do with the relative state of the programs that each took over?
Kelly replaced a guy who LEFT Cincy because he did such a good job there Michigan State hired him!
Schiano came into a hellhole that went out of its way to NOT have a good football program (because the academic elites that run it wear that as some kind of badge of honor) and not only did he convince them to invest in him and his program, but turned an absolute shite hole of a team into consistent winners.
Rutgers had been to ONE bowl in their entire history pre-Schiano. 2009 will make 5 straight.
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Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:15 pm to JPLSU1981
Schiano never took anyone apart from the joints like Kelly is doing this year, total domination.
But of course you have blown Miles at every turn so I really shouldnt trust your perspective.
But of course you have blown Miles at every turn so I really shouldnt trust your perspective.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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What does what happened in the 1940's have to do with the relative state of the programs that each took over?
I never said the two were the same program when each took over. I said the two have through the course of program been equivalent programs.
If you can't see that Cinci is a bad job then you are blind. Rutgers is the only BCS school in NJ a state that produces BCS talents every year. Kelly and Cinci have to scratch and claw recruits from tOSU and other neighboring programs.
I've never said Schiano is a bad coach. I think he's a good coach, but if you can't admit Kelly's protfolio is better then you are blind.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
What are you talking about? Bobby Bowden obviously had and easy job when he got to Florida State because their winning percentage is close to 67%. Who cares if they had a program winning percentage of 36% when he got there and had been terrible, it was obviously easy because all that matters is overall winning percentage.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:26 pm to LSUtigahs28
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I said the two have through the course of program been equivalent programs.
What does that have to do with the task that each faced when arriving at their school?
The road was much tougher for Schiano.
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If you can't see that Cinci is a bad job then you are blind. Rutgers is the only BCS school in NJ a state that produces BCS talents every year. Kelly and Cinci have to scratch and claw recruits from tOSU and other neighboring programs.
I'm not saying that Cincy is some kind of great job, but that Rutgers was one of the absolute worst programs in college football when GS took over, something you can't say about Cincy. The foundation had been layed for Kelly already.
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I've never said Schiano is a bad coach. I think he's a good coach, but if you can't admit Kelly's protfolio is better then you are blind.
#1 That's the second time in one post that you've used the "If you can't see _______ then you're blind" card.
#2 Sure, on paper Kelly's number's look great. And I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good choice for someone, he would be. But what Schiano did is more impressive even though it doesn't look as pretty on the stat sheet.
People questioned Saban's credentials at Michigan State when he was first hired at LSU because they went 6-6 or 7-5 every year but one. You have to look past the surface and see what all the underlying circumstances behind what a coach has done are.
This post was edited on 12/2/09 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The road was much tougher for Schiano.
Schiano has also had more seasons to rebuild from what he was given
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What does that have to do with the task that each faced when arriving at their school?
It shows that most coaches at the school win a certain percent. Kelly has elevated his school Schiano is at his own
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:37 pm to LSUtigahs28
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It shows that most coaches at the school win a certain percent.
Minnesota won a shite ton back in the day but I wouldn't say they are as good a job as their overall winning percentage indicates.
Don't be such a simpleton. Don't just look at the numbers, look past them.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Don't just look at the numbers, look past them.
If I just looked at number I would think Les is a better coach than Schiano
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:40 pm to LSUtigahs28
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If I just looked at number I would think Les is a better coach than Schiano
Take that kind of analytical thinking past your own team.
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Can't they both be good?
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:44 pm to OBUDan
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Can't they both be good?
NO, damnit!
Posted on 12/2/09 at 11:49 pm to OBUDan
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Can't they both be good?
Posted on 12/3/09 at 12:02 am to JPLSU1981
Going from Cincy to Notre Dame is a massive leap. Not sold Kelly can do it. Stoops would be a much much more solid choice. Not saying Kelly can't but lets be reasonable. Big East isn't elite.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 12:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Big East isn't elite.
It's probably better than the Big 12 this year, honestly.
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 12:05 am
Posted on 12/3/09 at 7:28 am to JPLSU1981
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This Kelly love reminds me of the Schiano love...
I disagree, Schiano has never won a big game, and has only had 1 maybe 2 solid seasons, Kelly has had many solid seasons and won many big games as well. That is the difference.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 7:40 am to Muahahaha
This is great stuff. With all the Big East disrespect we see here each year, it's hilarious that people are fighting over two of their coaches.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 8:20 am to OBUDan
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It's probably better than the Big 12 this year, honestly.
The Big East is probably better than the Big 12 and Big 10 this year.
Sagarin has them as the 4th best conference right now.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:38 am to LSUtigahs28
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It's probably better than the Big 12 this year, honestly.
The Big East is probably better than the Big 12 and Big 10 this year.
Sagarin has them as the 4th best conference right now.
Anything after the SEC and Pac 10 this year is a crap shoot. Toss the Big East, Big 10, Big 12 and ACC in a bag and pick one for #3.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 2:13 pm to LSUtigahs28
IMO, Tom Savage is going to be so good that he's going to make Schiano the hot commodity again.
Savage is going to be a BEAST and as the QB goes, the team goes. Rutgers WILL win the Big East while Savage and Mohamed Sanu is there.
Savage is going to be a BEAST and as the QB goes, the team goes. Rutgers WILL win the Big East while Savage and Mohamed Sanu is there.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 2:32 pm to Prominentwon
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Prominentwon
If McNeese had an openning this year. Who would be your first choice- Kelly or Schiano?
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