re: They're calling it a "settlement" but LSU completely laid down

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I don't understand why there's no university in the entire country willing to stand up for itself

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the free market.

You’re generally giving a contract to a coach you want to employ

Good he deserves every penny of the buyout

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First, because I don't believe O has anything meaningful on LSU, and even if it exists O is too dumb to keep receipts

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O might not... but the depositions, investigations, etc that a lawsuit would bring would cause all of that to come out.

Look... we just had an NFL head coach get fired because of an investigation done on a team he has never worked for. You think attorneys don't find things no matter where they are?

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There's some kind of agreed-on code by ADs and coaches that nobody should ever be held accountable for anything they do, and it drives me nuts. No other business or institution operates this way.

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Uhh... politicians, major organizations, and pretty much every major company operates this way. It's much cheaper to pay for silence.

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I don't understand why there's no university in the entire country willing to stand up for itself

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It is called the “tip” of the iceberg, big boy! At programs like LSU there has been cheating going on for a long, long time. Sometimes you get caught, and sometimes not. But when you have been a HC at the school for this long, you know where enough bodies are buried to bury the school if need be. Schools are more worried about what might get out, than paying off someone to be quiet.

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None of us really know what the terms of the agreement are and how it's configured to pay out.

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Did I miss context here?

We know exactly the terms of the agreement, the new employment agreement terms is not known.

All of the payouts except for salary for the rest of 2021 are known.

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If O is getting a "without cause" firing and 100% of his buyout, a better word would be surrender. Truly pathetic move on Woodward's part. The amount of money we are paying to ex-coaches is an absolute scandal (and it's not unique to LSU) and I don't understand why there's no university in the entire country willing to stand up for itself

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You foolish, foolish little boy.

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LSU won 1 with one very average

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I disagree. The game passed him by and he was unable or wouldn't adjust in the latter stages but for the majority of his tenure he was greater than average.

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Ed has always been someone who tries to tear down LSU.


Where do you fricks dream this stuff up?

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I guess you believe O’s revisionist history of his coaching career and recruiting tactics when he needed the DL job at LSU and then again once he put binder in motion to get head coach position.

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I disagree. The game passed him by and he was unable or wouldn't adjust in the latter stages but for the majority of his tenure he was greater than average.

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Les was always an average and inconsistent coach. He had to backtrack on first defensive coordinator while the game was driving down to BR. Kept offensive coordinator including waiting on Jimbo to get over the butt hurt. He wore his Britney mic to first game. He ran 2005 team into the ground with his old school practices. It seemed to take a year before he acted like anything other than a caretaker of Saban’s team when speaking in public (and not just the rambling when he forgot what he was talking about). I want to say it was after the Tennessee game in 2006 talking to reporter on field when he finally sounded like he was in charge.

Even in 2007 he was very inconsistent. He got lucky other teams and coaches were as well. Made awful DC hire for 2008, but he did show with defense coordinators he would just need one mistake and then fix the next year or while guy was driving down. Still not great but better than Ed who as a defensive coach inherited his first DC from Les and then made two poor hires in a row.

Les’s practices, not putting teams away early including not waking up himself until late in some games kept starters run down and in badly need of off week earlier than before week of Bama/Saban game. I know Saban usually took off same week, but he didn’t run his players into the ground in practice and was better at getting starters off the field earlier. Les and his stubbornness did it from the start absolutely wearing out the 2005 team with his practices while it played 11 games from Sep 26th to Dec 3rd played (also switched 1st game with Arizona State from a home to a travel game due Katrina). Initially people used to give Les credit for how prepared his teams at LSU played with extra time off to prep for game. It was the rest more than preparation. It was evident from the beginning seeing how much quicker and energetic they played against Miami in Peach Bowl compared to SEC championship game against Georgia.

Without system for program, upgrades, football ops building, 2003 Championship, building relationships with and gaining respect of state’s high school coaches, and the players Saban had already brought in or had already started to recruit including Les’s starting QBs for first 3 seasons Les was maybe another Gerry Dinardo if not worse. Dinardo was pretty good at recruiting at LSU like Les, and he took over a much worse program than Les.

2011 regular season was the one time Les wasn’t his usual self and seemed to be his chance to break from notion his success was based on Saban’s foundation, and he couldn’t finish it. You could see it starting a little on offense against Arkansas until special teams & defense got some momentum that offense took and turned itself on but was more obvious with offense against Georgia. Throw in arrogantly mentioning beating Saban 2 times in a row and winning coach of the year by the time the year 2011 ended Les was fully back to being his usual stubborn and inconsistent self and never beat Saban again.