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re: The Napier campaign was maybe a revelation
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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IF he's intelligent, he'll understand why he didn't get an interview. If he's emotional, he'll feel slighted that he didn't get an interview.
Correct. And I can promise he’s not sulking. He’s on to building his program at UF.
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Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:20 am to macaoidh
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Boy, this turned into a hell of a thread
mac, I’ll speak for myself when I say my “defense” of Napier has been 1) because I like him as a coach and 2) hoping to bring objective debate on him as his name was widely debated as a candidate. It turns out the latter wasn’t correct due to Woodward’s masterful leak-plugging talents.
I think hiring Kelly is about as good as any hire we could have hoped for. To dwell on Napier, positively or negatively is a wasted effort. We can re-visit in 10 years re: his success at UF. But today, in 2021, Kelly is the unquestionably better hire IMO.
So taking my own advice I won’t comment again on the subject. But can you see the frustration from some of us who sought objective debate on ALL coaches being named as candidates and running into the handful that simply bashed him giving not one iota of credit for his perceived strengths?
And it goes both ways - some here have touted him as the next Saban. They’re entitled to that opinion, buts that’s way off base today. But doesn’t the man have some obvious talent in building a winning football program? Does a coach with no skins on the wall get the UF job without another candidate getting a look?
This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 8:21 am
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:14 am to waiting4saturday
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The local media was just trying to get clicks
Were you here for the Orgeron hire? It was an all out blitz. The 104.5 management, morning show guys, Ruffino, ex players interviewed. They were pushing on a weak AD and it worked. At least 2019 season happened and they get forgiveness, otherwise it went as expected.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:36 am to dagrippa
Napier’s campaign was basically the same. The TD presence on this board was maybe the most shocking. Dozens of people staring Napier threads telling LSU fans how they were missing on the next Saban.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
hey you know what hyper competitive highly functioning people don't do? Hit the airwaves of local shows to promote themselves on game day.
Napier knows he's more CEO/recruiter and that's why he shied away from other jobs. He had ULL up and running and could now squeak out wins in a bad conference, people would laud him for it, and eventually a big guy would come calling. It really wasn't betting on himself.
Kelly has proved he can build a program and win anywhere. Billy has done that at 1 spot and really didn't deserve an interview here based on that but he thought he could sneak in the backdoor via political campaign. It worked on Jordy and a small population here that seem to believe he's truly the second coming. Maybe he is but odds are against it and LSU didn't need to take the risk.
Napier knows he's more CEO/recruiter and that's why he shied away from other jobs. He had ULL up and running and could now squeak out wins in a bad conference, people would laud him for it, and eventually a big guy would come calling. It really wasn't betting on himself.
Kelly has proved he can build a program and win anywhere. Billy has done that at 1 spot and really didn't deserve an interview here based on that but he thought he could sneak in the backdoor via political campaign. It worked on Jordy and a small population here that seem to believe he's truly the second coming. Maybe he is but odds are against it and LSU didn't need to take the risk.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:37 am to LSUwag
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I definitely think Woodward played UF into thinking they had to act fast to get over on us by hiring Napier.
Ahh, and he did that by NOT interviewing Napier. Man, that's clever!
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:46 am to siliconvalleytiger
No doubt in my mind Alleva wouldve hired Napier. Im not saying Napier wouldve been a bad hire, but he was definitely the easy hire and being pushed by a loud minority.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:48 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
yes Joe would have taken Kelly's initial no and then ran to lock up Napier
then again I doubt Joe would have fired O
then again I doubt Joe would have fired O
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:26 am to MrWalkingMan
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It was a mistake
I don’t care what Napier does in Florida, but to think that he should have been the LSU choice as opposed to Kelly is simply ridiculous.
The difference in the resumes between the two are as different as night is to day. imo
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:28 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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No doubt in my mind Alleva wouldve hired Napier. Im not saying Napier wouldve been a bad hire, but he was definitely the easy hire and being pushed by a loud minority.
As much as I commend Scott for bringing in a big gun like Kelly, the pressure he withstood on Napier is what is most commendable. Napier may well be a good coach but the process needed to be fair and it was.
This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:31 am to Penrod
quote:According to the Napier fan base on here, that's because he was too busy turning down numerous offers (that never really happened)!
Ahh, and he did that by NOT interviewing Napier. Man, that's clever!
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:37 am to LSUChamps03
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But can you see the frustration from some of us who sought objective debate on ALL coaches being named as candidates and running into the handful that simply bashed him giving not one iota of credit for his perceived strengths?
Not really.
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And it goes both ways - some here have touted him as the next Saban. They’re entitled to that opinion, buts that’s way off base today. But doesn’t the man have some obvious talent in building a winning football program? Does a coach with no skins on the wall get the UF job without another candidate getting a look?
Napier may end up being a great coach. Hell, a huge program gave him the job. So, his expectation for being considered for jobs like this was obviously reasonable.
But, the fact is that LSU didn't want him. Those that pointed it out were, in fact, right. Those that said he wouldn't sniff a job LIKE LSU were wrong. Those that think he was the best man for the LSU job or vice versa were expressing their opinion.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:41 am to MrWalkingMan
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of a very highly-functioning and intelligent person
You've said this like 4 times and the shite is getting creepy. Quit trying so hard to sound smart. It isn't working, it's just making you look desperate.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:46 am to moneyg
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But, the fact is that LSU didn't want him. Those that pointed it out were, in fact, right. Those that said he wouldn't sniff a job LIKE LSU were wrong.
He likely landed Florida because he sold himself as a contender for the LSU job. I also wonder how Florida fans are feeling now after the LSU hire. At any rate, what he does really isn’t LSU’s concern. We had our process and to me lander the best we could pet that process.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 12:18 pm to siliconvalleytiger
UF fans believe billy chose them
Posted on 12/1/21 at 12:39 pm to moneyg
Florida, for whatever the reason, was willing to take a huge gamble and LSU, thankfully, in my opinion wasn’t.
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