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re: Stop With the Coach O for Permanent Head Coach Stuff. Really?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:33 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:33 am to TheCaterpillar
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We are going to pay someone $5+ million to lead a program that generates $100+ million in revenue for the school because he's from Louisiana and can recruit?
Agreed....so so so dumb.
I want O to do great and succeed as well, but ultimately, he's being handed a Corvette with one flat tire. It shouldnt take much to succeed with this team. We've said a million times that any average coach could win 80% of their games with this team.
So if he does that, it means very little to me. It will show that he is a better game day coach than Les...whoopty doo.
People are handling this emotionally. I'm starting to doubt that firing miles mid-season was a good idea, for the simple fact that our fanbase is not smart enough to not fall in this trap.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 9:34 am
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:43 am to SportTiger1
Coach O is the "hiring Kevin Steele as DC" of the head coaching search.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:09 am to DaBeerz
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take the new coach O with kiffen and aranda in a heartbeat
This all day
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:13 am to AlaTiger
Men in power have extreme egos. The egos of LSU's men in power have been put to the test...by A&M and Chavis. Would not be surprised to see LSU go hard after Sumlin to help stroke their own ego and damage A&M's. Just a thought.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:54 am to DaBeerz
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I'd take the new coach O with kiffen and aranda in a heartbeat
You actually think Kiffin is leaving Bama for another OC job?
You guys willing to pay him enough to make up for the USC buyout that just ended?
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:56 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:03 am to BamaGradinTn
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You actually think Kiffin is leaving Bama for another OC job
I think kiffen would be happy to get away from Saban
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:06 am to lsufan31
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When Coach O was hired, many people, myself included, hoped he was being brought in and groomed to be the successor of Miles
I don't think anybody thought that, besides you. Coach O is very good at what he does, but you're nuts if you thought we were grooming a guy who went 3-21 in conference during his only stint as a permanent HC.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:37 am to AlaTiger
One thing worth noting about Coach O is his demonstrated ability to adapt, which is a rare and valuable trait amongst coaches (i.e. it took Saban years to modernize his offense and Miles never did). After being relatively unsuccessful at Ole Miss (10-25), Coach O learned from that experience and improved greatly during his brief stint as HC at USC (6-2). He even explained this experience in his LSU introductory presser when he described his shift in mindset from micromanaging all facets of the team at Ole Miss (even those in which he had no expertise) to his current MO of delegating with accountability.
I interviewed with Tom Herman when he was OC at Rice; he's extremely intelligent as has been demonstrated by his record, and like everyone else, I think he should be our first choice. That being said, if we can't get Tom, Coach O's demonstrated ability to improve should be considered if he is able to salvage this season. For intelligent, driven individuals, "Failure is success in progress."
I interviewed with Tom Herman when he was OC at Rice; he's extremely intelligent as has been demonstrated by his record, and like everyone else, I think he should be our first choice. That being said, if we can't get Tom, Coach O's demonstrated ability to improve should be considered if he is able to salvage this season. For intelligent, driven individuals, "Failure is success in progress."
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:45 am to AlaTiger
Agree with the OP. If O is such a great HC candidate, why hasn't any other school made him it's HC? He's been available for some time.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:19 pm to Lebowski
If coach O beats bama, he's got a good chance. If he can't beat bama, forget it.
I also don't think he can sustain more than 1 loss. Heck, 1 might be too many.
You can bet he's gotta beat bama though.
I also don't think he can sustain more than 1 loss. Heck, 1 might be too many.
You can bet he's gotta beat bama though.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:28 pm to Deactived
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You think about it if he goes 8-0. Youre not spending millions on a buyout and plan to spend millions on a new coaching staff only to promote a guy already on the staff.
Stick to your guns no matter what the record or fanbase says.
How well did that work out for USC after they shite can Kiffin on the tarmac then Coach O takes USC 6-2 the rest of the season with a win over top 10 rank Stanford then USC stuck to their guns and hired Coach Sark even though Coach O had USC moving in the right direction and the players loved playing for Coach O and we're giving their all for him...
Coach O was on record has having learned from his mistakes as Ole Miss coach and applied different tactics that were working and he will be doing the same now...
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:37 pm to besum1
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After being relatively unsuccessful at Ole Miss (10-25), Coach O learned from that experience and improved greatly during his brief stint as HC at USC (6-2).
Coach O wasn't "relatively unsuccessful" at Ole Miss, he was utterly unsuccessful: 3-21 in conference games. Disaster. Now yes, maybe he learned from that.
His interim HC work at USC was good. But you must consider that it was basically someone else's team. Someone else hired the coordinators. Someone else hired the staff. Someone else recruited the players (I realize O is a great recruiter, but certainly the HC oversees recruiting.
Yes, he did a good job holding that team together, but let's not pretend that O put together the roster and the staff at USC. He stepped into a bad situation and did a good job. But it was a band-aid job.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:05 pm to atltiger6487
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His interim HC work at USC was good. But you must consider that it was basically someone else's team. Someone else hired the coordinators. Someone else hired the staff. Someone else recruited the players (I realize O is a great recruiter, but certainly the HC oversees recruiting.
Yes, he did a good job holding that team together, but let's not pretend that O put together the roster and the staff at USC. He stepped into a bad situation and did a good job. But it was a band-aid job.
...which is why I said "if he is able to salvage this season" he should be taken into serious consideration. Keep in mind that he inherited Cam under this current scenario.
Again, I'm not blindly saying hire Coach O. All I'm saying is that it's important to acknowledge that some people are capable of learning and improving, and that prior failings shouldn't necessarily be a life sentence.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:10 pm to atltiger6487
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don't think anybody thought that, besides you
Well you are obviously wrong. Look at how many fans are sitting here right now, willing to write him a check and take off the interim tag- before he even coaches one single game. Think about that. If there was only me, hoping that he would come in and grow our program and help it succeed with his local ties, then you must not be reading the same comments that I am.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:40 pm to besum1
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All I'm saying is that it's important to acknowledge that some people are capable of learning and improving, and that prior failings shouldn't necessarily be a life sentence.
I agree with you. But it also doesn't mean we should ignore prior failings and give a guy a big job at an elite program when he hasn't shown that he's a successful head coach.
If O really wants to be a head coach, great, do what everyone else does - get a HC gig at a smaller school, kick arse for a few years, and then he'll probably be in demand.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:45 pm to AlaTiger
Fact is Coach Orgeron deserves as much consideration as anyone. If his adjustments move the team in the right direction, he may be the guy. It would be foolish to rule him out.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:47 pm to atltiger6487
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If O really wants to be a head coach, great, do what everyone else does - get a HC gig at a smaller school, kick arse for a few years, and then he'll probably be in demand.
He was head coach at Ole' Miss, but was green. As acting coach at Southern Cal he did a great job. Why would he have to go to La. Tech or Slippery Rock to get "experience?"
Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:27 pm to TBoy
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As acting coach at Southern Cal he did a great job. Why would he have to go to La. Tech or Slippery Rock to get "experience?"
Because the interim job at USC was a band-aid job. He did well, no doubt, but that's not the same as being the permanent guy in charge of an entire program.
Most HCs at big schools didn't just get handed that job without earlier success, mostly at smaller schools.
Saban started at Toledo
Urban Meyer at Bowling Green
Spurrier at Duke
Harbaugh at San Diego
Brian Kelly at Grand Valley State then Central Michigan
Petrino at Louisville (not what they are now)
Mack Brown at App State and then Tulane
Butch Jones at Central Michigan
Sumlin at Houston
More recent ones:
Fuente at at Memphis before Va Tech
Herman at Houston
Many, many others. This is how it's done.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:45 pm to TBoy
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He was head coach at Ole' Miss, but was green. As acting coach at Southern Cal he did a great job. Why would he have to go to La. Tech or Slippery Rock to get "experience?"
So 8 games at USC qualifies him for the LSU job? Wow, we have some low standards.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:01 pm to atltiger6487
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This is how it's done.
...said Miles on his last called run up the gut with 8+ men in the box.
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Most HCs at big schools didn't just get handed that job without earlier success, mostly at smaller schools.
...but this hasn't been Ed's path. You can't take away the fact that his HC career started in the SEC and continued in the PAC-12.
All that being said, an evaluation of his performance this season is necessary to draw any reasonable conclusion about his deservingness of the permanent position. Given his struggles at Ole Miss, I'd say he faces an almost impossibly high bar this season to compensate: one loss max, and maybe only an undefeated remainder of the season. But if he does accomplish such a lofty goal, I'm at a loss for a reasonable argument to dismiss him out of hand.
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