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Something doesn't add up...
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:57 pm
regarding LSU's coaching "search" timeline.
A week ago (Tuesday, 11/22) Arkansas' football ops department was contacted to speak with OC Dan Enos. It is not known what the call was regarding, although it is generally believed - now that O has been named the HC - that the call was placed to gauge interest in joining O's staff. LINK
The reason this all seems peculiar is because of the date this occurred, which doesn't line up with the theory that Herman was on the table until Thursday/Friday and Orgeron was named only when that fell through. I realize that Orgeron could've simply been gauging interest to have that feather in his cap when the meeting went down, but I don't see an official athletic department to athletic department call being placed in that situation, unless it was known at that time that they were going with Orgeron.
TLDR: either the search ended sooner than Alleva let on and the Herman deal actually fell through/was never happening earlier than reported, or they've known for a long while that O would be named as permanent HC
A week ago (Tuesday, 11/22) Arkansas' football ops department was contacted to speak with OC Dan Enos. It is not known what the call was regarding, although it is generally believed - now that O has been named the HC - that the call was placed to gauge interest in joining O's staff. LINK
The reason this all seems peculiar is because of the date this occurred, which doesn't line up with the theory that Herman was on the table until Thursday/Friday and Orgeron was named only when that fell through. I realize that Orgeron could've simply been gauging interest to have that feather in his cap when the meeting went down, but I don't see an official athletic department to athletic department call being placed in that situation, unless it was known at that time that they were going with Orgeron.
TLDR: either the search ended sooner than Alleva let on and the Herman deal actually fell through/was never happening earlier than reported, or they've known for a long while that O would be named as permanent HC
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:00 pm to RazorBroncs
moral of the story: frick Joe Alleva.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:02 pm to RazorBroncs
I have no sauces but here's my guess...
Orgeron went into his Friday (11/26) meeting with Alleva and in his vaunted binder he had a list of proposed OCs and verbal assurances from them that they would come. If this is true and he were considering Enos it would make sense for him to call on Tuesday to speak with Enos to know whether to include him in his Friday presentation/interview...
But just a guess on my part.
Orgeron went into his Friday (11/26) meeting with Alleva and in his vaunted binder he had a list of proposed OCs and verbal assurances from them that they would come. If this is true and he were considering Enos it would make sense for him to call on Tuesday to speak with Enos to know whether to include him in his Friday presentation/interview...
But just a guess on my part.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:03 pm to frankenfish
I like this explanation better:
quote:
frick Joe Alleva
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:04 pm to RazorBroncs
Why does it matter?... the Herman news that was coming from Texas sources was likely a ploy to get the UTa admin to fire strong.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:05 pm to clamdip
quote:
I like this explanation better:
quote:
frick Joe Alleva
I second this motion. All in favor...
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:06 pm to RazorBroncs
I think Alleva knew what he wanted to do all along but had to at least make a public effort to get Herman after the UF loss or people really would have flipped.
It's becoming pretty obvious this was a sham.
It's becoming pretty obvious this was a sham.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:07 pm to RazorBroncs
Enos has an SEC non-compete clause so ?????
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:08 pm to BilJ
Alleva just doesn't give a shite
Period
He didn't fire JJ
And he doesn't even try to have a thorough search for football
Period
He didn't fire JJ
And he doesn't even try to have a thorough search for football
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:10 pm to RazorBroncs
Why would Alleva/O call the Arkansas football Ops Department to speak with Enos regarding leaving Arkansas to go to LSU for the same position. If I worked in the ops I would hang up on LSU. Don't you think LSU would call Enos's agent?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:10 pm to RazorBroncs
The call was for permission to place his name in the binder.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:10 pm to ThaGenius
quote:
Enos has an SEC non-compete clause so ?????
For a lateral/equal position OC to OC. He can be given an associate HC title or some other form of consultant title in addition to OC as a loophole.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:10 pm to BilJ
I mean there were serious rumblings that O would be named after the UF game, only he choked and couldn't get it done, so that threw a wrench in the plan.
You could tell after the a&m game they all had a mission accomplished look on their faces. The Gatorade bath, giving Derek a game ball, etc.
You could tell after the a&m game they all had a mission accomplished look on their faces. The Gatorade bath, giving Derek a game ball, etc.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:12 pm to RazorBroncs
There's no possible way that would hold up in court.
ETA: You think the lawyers drafting these contracts didn't think of that loophole. Wait I forgot you are from Arkansas.
ETA: You think the lawyers drafting these contracts didn't think of that loophole. Wait I forgot you are from Arkansas.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:13 pm to BJones
quote:
Why would Alleva/O call the Arkansas football Ops Department to speak with Enos regarding leaving Arkansas to go to LSU for the same position. If I worked in the ops I would hang up on LSU. Don't you think LSU would call Enos's agent?
Most non-shady ADs contact other ADs to ask permission to pursue or contact their employees. This is becoming more and more rare but used to be a gentlemans agreement among coaches, especially within the same conference.
We also aren't sure exactly who it was from LSU making the contact.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:16 pm to ThaGenius
quote:
There's no possible way that would hold up in court.
ETA: You think the lawyers drafting these contracts didn't think of that loophole.
I'm just discussing what I've been told. It's also possible that whoever was making the contact wasn't aware of the non-compete, much like Kirby Smart making the same attempt last season.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:20 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:
I'm just discussing what I've been told. It's also possible that whoever was making the contact wasn't aware of the non-compete, much like Kirby Smart making the same attempt last season.
It just makes absolutely no sense. The guy can't move to another SEC school unless he's getting the head job. I can almost guarantee the non-compete is rock solid. Fake titles or demotions won't be able to work around it.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:21 pm to ThaGenius
quote:
It just makes absolutely no sense.
Because it didn't happen
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:22 pm to frankenfish
quote:
Orgeron went into his Friday (11/26) meeting with Alleva and in his vaunted binder he had a list of proposed OCs and verbal assurances from them that they would come. If this is true and he were considering Enos it would make sense for him to call on Tuesday to speak with Enos to know whether to include him in his Friday presentation/interview...
This is a solid theory.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:23 pm to RazorBroncs
I'm not trying to be a dick.
Why would O want to hire Dan Enos?
If they go Dan Enos, they're going cheap.
Nowhere close to the 2M/year That's been talked about.
He needs to make a splash hire for OC.
Why would O want to hire Dan Enos?
If they go Dan Enos, they're going cheap.
Nowhere close to the 2M/year That's been talked about.
He needs to make a splash hire for OC.
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