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re: Sam Spiegelman- 2 possible staff candidates in SEC champ game

Posted on 12/4/21 at 11:46 am to
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168825 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 11:46 am to
He’s not as bad as they think but damn that D has regressed a lot. I think they’re dreaming of Proot coming back
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64594 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 11:47 am to
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You call it arrogance, I call it smart. Why would he go work for a guy whose clearly an inferior coach?

He did O a favor and let him tell Alleva that he was coming but it wasn’t happening. He took less money to go to FAU. Alleva was foolish enough to buy it. Saban had nothing to do with that.


Fair points


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I’m sorry Saban is that much of a boogeyman to you that you need to believe these kind of doomsday things, but relax.


15 years of Saban at Bama does have me shook
Posted by LSURep864
Moscow, Idaho
Member since Nov 2007
11238 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 11:58 am to
No
Posted by Dawgwithnoname
NE Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
4278 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:16 pm to
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Golding gets a lot of undeserved hate


I've been watching Alabama since Saban showed up. They've never looked as confused on defense as they have since Golding took over. The fact he's still there is a mystery.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11194 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:21 pm to
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You’re not going to like any hire. Just admit it and move on.

He really won't. This is the same guy who was slamming Baker all summer and earlier in the season for lackluster recruiting and coaching. Nevermind he had only been in campus a few months and ended up turning a near lost cause into a Butkus award finalist.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33860 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:21 pm to
The players aren't as good.

Think about the bama team this year.

Their d line isn't as good as the past. Will anderson is an animal and o par with past bama players.

The linebackers and secondary aren't bama like either.
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
10199 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:21 pm to
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They've never looked as confused on defense as they have since Golding took over.


And defensive, genius head coach Saban isn't able to fix this in three years?
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Tiger30
Fort mill south carolina
Member since Aug 2018
1052 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:22 pm to
Spill the beans LsuRep864
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11194 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:22 pm to
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I'm objective I don't see how that's an issue

I'm sure you think you're being objective, but you're overly negative all the time.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288418 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:25 pm to
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you want an elite DC Golding isn't it


There’s no such thing as elite DCs anymore. The offenses right now are so far ahead, if you don’t calibrate your brain to understand how college football is even different than 10yrs ago, you are going to have bad takes like this

Bama fans went years with absolute lock down defenses. That is just what they are used to, but don’t realize the game has changed.

The same way lsu fans still have trouble understanding what a modern offense is.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33860 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:25 pm to
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Kelly is trying to bag all the recruiters. The name floating for RB Coach is a recruiting coordinator for another team in the south.


What happens to faulk?
Posted by Peytonknows
NOLA
Member since Nov 2006
18557 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:36 pm to
Hankton would be a home run hire. The recruits he would get by locking down Louisiana even more would be great.

Can’t compare him and Joseph. Let’s see the recruits Joseph pulls to Nebraska now. Even at UGA he wouldn’t have done that well.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11194 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:52 pm to
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I want to disagree...

But I did feel all along that Kiffin is too arrogant to work underneath O.

You could be correct.

I wanted to disagree too, but after thinking about it I think he's probably correct.

It's a safe assumption Kiffin told O he'd come here if he didn't get a HC job. But what he probably didn't tell O was that there was virtually no way he wasn't going to take an HC job, no matter low he had to stoop.
Posted by Dawgwithnoname
NE Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
4278 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:56 pm to
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And defensive, genius head coach Saban isn't able to fix this in three years?


That's the mystery. He could've fixed it by firing Golden and didn't. I think they're relative decline is showing Saban isn't as engaged as he once was.
Posted by philter
Member since Dec 2004
8967 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:57 pm to
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Hankton would be a lazy hire he's UGA worst recruiter.


That's a relative slight,since uga has a staff full of receuiters. His top 8 all time recruits are out of state, including some La kids LSU wanted.

LINK
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11194 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 1:00 pm to
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decline is showing Saban


Wow. Ok. You've got to be trolling.

Did you watch Alabama at all last year? Covid season or not, that was one of the best college football teams ever. They lost a lot of guys from that team and are still 1 win away from the playoffs.

I hope I'm declining like Saban when I'm 70. Sheesh.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 1:11 pm to
Yup. I somehow don't think most of the people here have watched enough Bama to see why Bama fans don't like Golding. Sure, they have unrealistic expectations but they're not exactly full retard at what they're seeing. A huge problem with Golding is he's the old saying of stats never tell the entire story. You'd look at Bama and see noticeable improvement stats wise and wonder why Bama fans don't like him. Well, dig into it and you'll see the same defensive problems have been an issue all 3 years at Bama.

They have major lack of communication issues giving up explosive plays, they have major tackling issues that constantly plague the defense, and lastly, I already mentioned his lack of consistency with the defense. To me it seems he's very strong in areas like scheming but where he's weak as a DC is his fundamentals. This is where I think if LSU did make a hire they'd need to surround him with coaches who are excellent on fundamental development.

I'm all for a young coach who can recruit his arse off. Worst case here is we'll get an excellent recruiter who's at least a good schemer. He could also grow and improve just as a player could. As a coach I think he's so-so as you have questions on his fundamental development but as a recruiter it's a homerun hire. They have shown capability to identify and at least fix these problems a the end like last season. Again though, you have to question how much of this is Golding rather than Saban getting involved because he doesn't like what he sees.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
10199 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 1:15 pm to
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To me it seems he's very strong in areas like scheming but where he's weak as a DC is his fundamentals.


Well that's where I would expect my DC to be great. I'm not hiring him to teach tackling.

You guys also give Saban any plausible credit for improvement yet no blame for them apparently having these issues for three years.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted by Russ337
NM
Member since Dec 2013
1473 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 1:17 pm to
Isn’t it harder to get kids from out of state than keep them in-state?
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 1:17 pm to
Yeah, as I said, I think if you hire guys around him who are very good at fundamental development he'd be a good hire. I'm not sure what Bama's coaches are doing over there but they seem to have a fundamental issue. I'd argue the communication issues are on Golding due to his scheme. He did bring a new scheme when he came to Bama.
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