Saban speech on Leadership (2016)

Does he say in this speech if he or anyone he knows is leaving for a different job?

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i guess his leadership only works at the college level. He wasn’t able to lead professional athletes.

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This article about his time in Miami just about summed that up.

Deadspin

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Nick Saban left LSU and took the job as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins on Christmas Day in 2004. The NFL had changed in the decade he’d been away. Free agency, in its infancy during Saban’s time as the defensive coordinator with the Browns, had grown into full maturity. The players were now empowered, and they weren’t afraid to show it. The college game was—and remains today—about the cult of the coach. In the pros, the players now reigned. In the 2005 off-season, Saban discovered quickly—and rudely—just how different things had become.

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Does he say in this speech if he or anyone he knows is leaving for a different job?

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why don't you just watch it?

Same here. It's because of Saban that we have championship standards....or at least we did under Miles. Now the bar seems to have lowered back down to 8-9 wins is cool

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I guess his leadership only works at the college level. He wasn’t able to lead professional athletes

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I mean it’s a completely different situation. College athletes are basically moderately skilled employees who make minimum wage, and professional athletes are basically highly skilled independent contractors who make enough money to walk away. Two totally different leadership styles and even a great leader would have a hard time making that big of a switch overnight. That’s like going from running a small apartment complex in Baton Rouge to developing a 100 story tower in New York

Only idiot here is you for posting this and I hope he proves you right at the NFL level really soon.

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Nice try. Bear Bryant died at 69 years of age.

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my bad, he died in 83, was thinking that was his age...LOL

oh well

Geaux Dawgs!

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and died at age 69

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I remember him looking really old....

69 is nothing

Saban is 67

now think about the images of Bear? He seem 80 to me

69 is a surprise to me///must have been a smoker

He's about to win a 7th national championship...at age 67, 15 years younger than the Bear...

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You have no idea what you are talking about

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evaluating and acquiring talent is a very important part of being a coach in both college and the nfl.

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No doubt. My post was not about evaluating Saban as a coach. It was about evaluating the specific parts of his coaching skill set that come into play when his talent level is not superior to his opponent's.

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At Lsu, Saban won the SEC and sugar bowl in year 2. At Alabama, Saban started the year 12-0 in year 2 and was an undefeated national champion in year 3.

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There's no evidence from the above that Saban has been better than average when he lacks a substantial talent advantage.

You mention 2001 LSU. That team went 5-3 in the SEC, but was not lacking in talent. Ryan Clark, Bradie James, Jarvis Green, Josh Reed, Michael Clayton, and Marcus Spears all had good NFL careers. The SECCG win over Tennessee is a game Saban won with inferior talent, but the home loss to Ole Miss is one he dropped with superior talent.

2008 Bama went 12-2, but look at the guys Saban had by then: Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, Terrence Cody, Don'ta Hightower, Rolando McClain, Andre Smith. That team still lost to Florida (similar talent) and Utah (less talent), but did beat a loaded UGA (similar talent) on the road.

One thing 2001 LSU and 2008 Bama had in common: Senior, veteran QBs (Davey, Wilson).

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Are you really trying to argue that after 1 or 2 recruiting classes at places that finished a combined 9-15 the year before he got there, and therefore playing almost exclusively freshmen and sophomores, Saban had clear talent advantages over every other team in the sec?

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No. 2001 LSU was pretty talented, but opponents UF and Tenn had more talent that year. 2008 Bama had a talent advantage over everyone but UGA and Florida. That year LSU was equal at some positions, but had lost a lot from the 2007 team and lacked QB experience.

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When you have to use different metrics at each place to try to make your point, that should be pretty telling.

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If you'd prefer a consistent criteria, do this:
Take Saban's 1st year conference record at Michigan State, LSU, and Alabama, plus his NFL record. Because we know he lacked a talent advantage in all of those situations.

Add it up, you get 28-27-1.