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Saban considered to be a risk when he was hired @ LSU
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:16 pm
I really enjoyed hearing Skip Bertman's thoughts on the history of hiring Nick Saban, and how the transition moved into the Miles era.
With all the talk about the necessity of getting a big name guy, or even a guy with an impressive resume, he mentioned that he did not see Saban as a "big name". A view of Saban's record shows
Toledo 9 2
Michigan State 6 5
Michigan State 6 6
Michigan State 7 5
Michigan State 6 6
Michigan State 10 2
Total 44 26
62.8% Win Perc.
Shows that there are no guarantees in sports. You never know where the next coaching great will come from.
Skip Bertman Tell All on Nick Saban (theAdvocate)
Skip Bertman on with Hanigriff and Ott
When looking at the records of Coaches nationally, it makes you realize that the scene is set for a dramatic game of musical chairs involving a number of musical chairs involving Coaching Hotseats.
Winningest Coaches in Division IA
With all the talk about the necessity of getting a big name guy, or even a guy with an impressive resume, he mentioned that he did not see Saban as a "big name". A view of Saban's record shows
Toledo 9 2
Michigan State 6 5
Michigan State 6 6
Michigan State 7 5
Michigan State 6 6
Michigan State 10 2
Total 44 26
62.8% Win Perc.
Shows that there are no guarantees in sports. You never know where the next coaching great will come from.
Skip Bertman Tell All on Nick Saban (theAdvocate)
Skip Bertman on with Hanigriff and Ott
When looking at the records of Coaches nationally, it makes you realize that the scene is set for a dramatic game of musical chairs involving a number of musical chairs involving Coaching Hotseats.
Winningest Coaches in Division IA
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 6:24 pm
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:19 pm to prepsportsallday
Somewhere out there right now is another Nick Saban. One must find him.
There's a logical method for solving this problem. There's no need to rely on luck.
There's a logical method for solving this problem. There's no need to rely on luck.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:20 pm to Champagne
Have you ever wondered with the amount of couch coaches in the rant that someone must know what they are doing?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:24 pm to fareplay
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Have you ever wondered with the amount of couch coaches in the rant that someone must know what they are doing?
Agreed
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:28 pm to Champagne
Nick Saban is a once in a generation coach.. There's not another one of him out there. His attention to detail, and the brand he has created, can not be created over night. He pushes all the right buttons, and has created a monster for himself and whatever organization he's with. Sure some coaches can beat him at times.. But nobody will consistently beat him. The quicker everyone realizes this.. The better off we are. Even skip said that today.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:28 pm to prepsportsallday
To people who knew football back then Saban was anything but a risk. The word was "he can flat out coach". Watching his teams essentially "break" an opponent at a specific point in the game was a thing of beauty. He also did it without 22 "consultants" on staff.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:30 pm to prepsportsallday
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Saban considered to be a risk when he was hired @ LSU
A risk?
Not at all. Risk implies that you have something to lose. The state of the LSU program when Saban took over wasn't going to drop from where it was even if Saban failed.
I think you are confusing risk with "not a sure thing". There are very, very, very few sure things.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:30 pm to jonboy
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To people who knew football back then Saban was anything but a risk. The word was "he can flat out coach". Watching his teams essentially "break" an opponent at a specific point in the game was a thing of beauty. He also did it without 22 "consultants" on staff.
I agree that he proved that. But its interesting that his record prior to LSU, was fairly average. He was what he was before LSU. A great coach. But his record had shown he was good, but not great.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:48 pm to prepsportsallday
How many here thought he was a great coach after Dinardo beat him in the Indy Bowl?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:06 pm to 1984Tiger
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How many here thought he was a great coach after Dinardo beat him in the Indy Bowl?
Exactly! It amazing what happens why the right opportunity and talent come together
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:11 pm to prepsportsallday
I sure as hell didn't think Saban was a million-dollar coach when he came here.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:23 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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as hell didn't think Saban was a million-dollar coach when he came here.
He's driven the price way up since then lol
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:24 pm to MSG
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Nick Saban is a once in a generation coach.. There's not another one of him out there. His attention to detail, and the brand he has created, can not be created over night. He pushes all the right buttons, and has created a monster for himself and whatever organization he's with. Sure some coaches can beat him at times.. But nobody will consistently beat him. The quicker everyone realizes this.. The better off we are.
I finally accepted that fact by last year- love him or hate him, he is the best, and no one can touch him or his coaching ability. Any LSU fan that wouldn't give their own money to have him back coaching at LSU is lying to themselves!
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:28 pm to 1984Tiger
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How many here thought he was a great coach after Dinardo beat him in the Indy Bowl?
Dinardo didn't beat him in the indy bowl
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:31 pm to Tiger in Texas
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I finally accepted that fact by last year- love him or hate him, he is the best, and no one can touch him or his coaching ability. Any LSU fan that wouldn't give their own money to have him back coaching at LSU is lying to themselves!
Who knows. Put in context, how Saban would have been viewed, had he taken a mid major, full of 2 and 3 stars (like Herman at Houston) and turned it into a #6 FBS program.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:52 pm to MSG
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Nick Saban is a once in a generation coach.. There's not another one of him out there. His attention to detail, and the brand he has created, can not be created over night. He pushes all the right buttons, and has created a monster for himself and whatever organization he's with. Sure some coaches can beat him at times.. But nobody will consistently beat him. The quicker everyone realizes this.. The better off we are. Even skip said that today.
He is solid as a coach, but is brilliant as a recruiter. As a coach, he has the skill of taking superior talent and not doing anything stupid with them.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:08 pm to boxcar willie
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is solid as a coach, but is brilliant as a recruiter. As a coach, he has the skill of taking superior talent and not doing anything stupid with them.
Does what head coaches often over look, manage resources. That includes talent
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:56 pm to MSG
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whatever organization he's with
Except the Dolphins
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:00 pm to prepsportsallday
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he mentioned that he did not see Saban as a "big name".
Well Skip isn't correct. Saban's name was floating around for NFL head coaching jobs well BEFORE he ever stepped foot on LSU's campus
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:43 pm to MSG
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Nick Saban is a once in a generation coach.. There's not another one of him out there. His attention to detail, and the brand he has created, can not be created over night. He pushes all the right buttons, and has created a monster for himself and whatever organization he's with. Sure some coaches can beat him at times.. But nobody will consistently beat him. The quicker everyone realizes this.. The better off we are. Even skip said that today.
I'm not going to spend time explaining it. I have no idea why you focus on the points you've made in your post.
I'm not in charge of LSU's coaching search so there's no reason for me to write at length. First know what the best coaching methods are not by guessing but through analysis and proof. Then find the man that can best execute those proven methods.
Use scientific and provable criteria to build your model. Then use analysis to find the subject that best fits the model. Emotions, "feelings", the media, hype, getting "the Big Name". . . none of those factors are critical.
"Les Miles" is a big name coach that's won a NC and is currently available. Is HE a candidate for LSU's vacancy? No, because his methods failed. So, it is the METHOD that we seek, not the man.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 11:05 pm
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