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re: Rabalais has odds at Fisher > Tucker > Aranda > everyone else
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Every single hire in LSU history save one or two were made this way. Yet we’ve still won 4 National Championship and have one of the most decorated programs in college football history.
Sure would be nice to make an above average hire while still being established. Could win multiple National Titles with the right coach.
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:41 pm to beauchristopher
If you really think Woodward would hire Tucker just to appease Tate then I don’t know what to tell you.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Why even discuss the hire then? Seems y’all can’t lose no matter how it goes.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:46 pm to cardboardboxer
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Why even discuss the hire then?
Because the only thing LSU fans like more than winning games is replacing coaches
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:46 pm to cardboardboxer
Even if we lose we win
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:47 pm to LSUcajun77
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But downplays Aranda’s head coaching experience in the very next sentence.
Tucker
5-7 Colorado
2-5 MSU (2020)
7-1 MSU ( one close quality win, blow out loss to unranked Purdue )
What am I missing here?
On which planet is this guy qualified to coach LSU?
I detest it when people argue that Tucker is qualified based on his entire resume. It immediately convinces me that they are ignoramuses who are unfamiliar with his actual history. There is nothing but mediocrity and failure there. If Woodward hires a coach who has had one winning season in his whole HC career, he's a dunce.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:50 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Your candor is refreshing and inspired.
You are easily the best LSU fan on here when it comes to having a serious conversation.
You are easily the best LSU fan on here when it comes to having a serious conversation.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:51 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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If Woodward hires a coach who has had one winning season in his whole HC career, he's a dunce.
So no Aranda for you then? If it came down to Napier, Aranda, or Tucker who do you take?
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:54 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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There is nothing but mediocrity and failure there.
Context is important. For example he has I think just two players who were four star recruits or better on his current defense.
He’s far from a slam dunk, but if you like Napier I can show you literally dozens of successful g5 coaches who flopped. And Aranda’s resume isn’t any more impressive than Tucker’s, we’re just familiar with him here.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:56 pm to DeathByTossDive225
It's not Tucker
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:56 pm to burke985
WHO IS IT BURKE
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:57 pm to cardboardboxer
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Your candor is refreshing and inspired.
You are easily the best LSU fan on here when it comes to having a serious conversation.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:57 pm to burke985
Have you called your shot yet?
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
It’s appreciated. I swore off being an arse on here for like three years until the Texas OU thing rubbed me the wrong way. It was actually refreshing just saying how it was and not pretending that showing any weakness on a web forum effects my favorite program in any way.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Context is important. For example he has I think just two players who were four star recruits or better on his current defense.
This is the constant refrain of Tucker apologists, but it has no merit. He was an NFL DC for seven years. Finished in the bottom ten six of those seven years. He was the worst DC in modern Bears history. Fired and purged from the NFL. He was 5-7 at Colorado, exactly same as his predecessor. The Buffs defense got worse under his tutelage. He was 2-5 in his first year at MSU. The Spartans defensive rankings have declined under his watch. There is no "context" which can explain such prolonged, repeated failures. The answer is simpler: Tucker is not a good coach. The outlier is his lone success this year, not his consistent failure.
No excuse mongering can escape the cold, hard facts.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 10:02 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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Finished in the bottom ten six of those seven years. He was the worst DC in modern Bears history. Fired and purged from the NFL.
Good thing we’re not an NFL team then
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Tucker is not a good coach.
Possibly. But I’m also not going to do a deep dive on the roster he was working with either. If he actually gets the job then maybe I will.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 10:05 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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There is no "context" which can explain such prolonged, repeated failures.
Sure there is but you wouldn't care either way. For whatever reason, you hate Tucker.
NFL isn't college. How were each of those teams he coached in terms of offense, defensive talent, etc?
If you're someone who is brought in to do an overhaul of a team (think Fleck, Rhule, etc) then you usually need at least two seasons to see the payoff. He was at Colorado for one. At Michigan he had a rough first season and through managing the portal and recruiting he was able to piece together a decent team this year. Especially considering where MSU was when he took over.
I would say his overall HC coaching ability is a question mark but trending positively.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 10:22 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Sure there is but you wouldn't care either way. For whatever reason, you hate Tucker.
Stop and actually think about the nonsense you are advocating. You are positing that every single failure in Tucker's execrable, miserable, fifteen year blunder-ridden career can somehow be excused by a mysterious constellation of excuses and "context" that miraculously always worked to conceal the true genius of Mel Tucker. The consistently poor NFL defenses. The losing records as a head coach. The declining defensive rankings at every HC stop. The dogshit MSU defense this year that is ranked lower than 100 and has given up 500+ yards to its only two credible opponents. ALL of that can somehow be explained by nebulous circumstance?
No. It's too dumb to contemplate. You don't hire a HC for a top five program based on the HOPE that his demonstrated history of failure is a mirage and his true character is one outlier season. Again, if Woodward does that, he's an irrational dunce.
You hire a coach based on what he has actually accomplished, not based on what he might have hypothetically accomplished in some counterfactual world.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 10:30 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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Stop and actually think about the nonsense you are advocatin
The only points I was making are:
1) you should do the research before you declare everything he has done as failure as context is important. However you haven't done that nor care to because you just hate Tucker for whatever reason.
2) I never said hire Tucker or that I even want him as the LSU HC. I said he was a question mark as HC but trending positively. I am sure it would be impossible for you to even admit that though.
3) you have made numerous threads dedicated to hating Tucker. Like I said already your hatred for him goes way beyond his coaching ability. Good luck to you!
Posted on 11/8/21 at 10:39 pm to Tiger Tracker
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The only points I was making are:
1) you should do the research before you declare everything he has done as failure as context is important. However you haven't done that nor care to because you just hate Tucker for whatever reason.
2) I never said hire Tucker or that I even want him as the LSU HC. I said he was a question mark as HC but trending positively. I am sure it would be impossible for you to even admit that though.
3) you have made numerous threads dedicated to hating Tucker. Like I said already your hatred for him goes way beyond his coaching ability. Good luck to you!
(1) No, I've done the research and set it forth in great detail several times. All the evidence points to a simple conclusion: Tucker is not a good coach;
(2) A single data point is not a "trend." He'd have to at least have two good seasons in a row to form a trend;
(3) I dislike Tucker because he is a bad coach and I don't think we should entrust the program to a bad coach based on a single outlier year. It would be stupid. And I do abhor stupidity.
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