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re: QBs are more important than HCs. LSU should focus on player $$$, not HC $$$.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:47 am to Salviati
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:47 am to Salviati
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A more nuanced response would note that teams with successful seasons are more often determined by the talent of the QB than the talent of the coach. College football is littered with coaches who toil in relative obscurity using the same scheme until they hit on a major talent at QB who lights up the scheme.
2024 semi-finals
Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio State, Texas
Will Howard is the best QB out of that group, and his NIL was supposed to be around $1.1m.
2023?
Michigan, Alabama, Washington, Texas
Penix is the only noteworthy QB out of that bunch, and he was really good. His NIL was around $1.5m.
JJ McCarthy was a steal. His NIL was barely over a million and he led a championship team.
Quinn Ewers signed a big NIL deal with aOSU and then another one with Texas. I bet both those teams felt ripped off.
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Moreover, there is no guarantee that any college football team can hold onto a coach who can overcome talent at the QB position.
There's no guarantee that the QB you spend $3-4m on is going to be anything better than average. Nico Lamalafrickoff burned 2 teams. Garrett Nussmeier burned LSU.
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There is no guarantee that Kiffin, if he came to LSU, would not leave for the NFL.
Who cares, if he does good for LSU while he's here?
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the general thrust of my argument is that talent is more important than the head coach.
No, they're equally important. 3 number 1 recruiting classes and a number 1 portal class isn't going to make Sherronne Moore a playoff winning coach.
You have to have a coach that has vision and the competency to put a coaching staff together that can evaluate the right players for the style of team they want to be.
I don't know that Kiffin is the answer, and some team is going to make him ridiculously rich for not having done very much, but you cannot win consistently if you're not willing to hire the best coaches.
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:50 am to Salviati
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And those hires were lazy decisions that were made mostly by coaches who no longer have jobs because of the lazy and bad decisions they've made.
If this is the hill you want to die on, frick it, have fun.
Recruiting services are wrong about QB's all the time. Coaching records tell a lot of truth.
Even the best transfer QB is only going to play for you 1-2 years.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:05 am to Salviati
While you obviously aren’t going to win games without talent, we spent a ton of $$$ on portal players this year — I think we clearly showed that without great coaching and structure it doesn’t mean shite
Prime Drew Brees wouldn’t fix the problems with this team
Prime Drew Brees wouldn’t fix the problems with this team
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:09 am to Salviati
DL>OL>QB
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:11 am to Salviati
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Finally, although my OP tends to focus on the QB position, the title of my OP and the general thrust of my argument is that talent is more important than the head coach.
Really teams that win at a high level have a lot of talent? What other brilliant insights do you have Mr Wizard, are you going to tell us teams that accumulates the most points in a given contest will defeat the opposition?
This is not a new insight and it’s not due to NIL. It’s simplistic because you treat it as an either or proposition. An elite QB may the most important piece but coaching matters and coaching isn’t just play calling or calling time outs. Building a football program takes a lot of work and skill 99% of which is not on the field. Yes Mack Brown finally won with VY, but guess why VY was at Texas? He wasn’t already there. Of course UT doesn’t win without VY, but he doesn’t get the chance to win the game if not for the 4th down stop and that defense doesn’t just show either.
Your view is simplistic because you are acting like the players just show up, or the school recruits itself. The coach matters, he builds the program, he will need talent and having an elite QB combined with a talented roster is how you get titles but you need a talented coach running it first.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:17 am to Salviati
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Moreover, there is no guarantee that any college football team can hold onto a coach who can overcome talent at the QB position. Certainly, LSU did not hold onto Saban. There is no guarantee that Kiffin, if he came to LSU, would not leave for the NFL.
There are no guarantees on anything Cochise. I don’t get this obsession with not wanting to lose a coach if he’s successful
Saban wanted to coach in the NFL, they was his goal even before he got to LSU. LSU was a much better off having had him however. Kiffin has already coached in the NFL, though briefly. He have gotten an NFL job pretty much anytime that last 4-5 years at least. But if he (of any other coach) comes he and wins and wants to go there, so be it. Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:22 am to Salviati
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LSU should focus on player $$$, not HC $$$.
One other thing, you do realize these are separate right? I mean if LSU spend $8M/year vs$12M on a HC does not mean we would have an additional $4M for players
We would not have and extra $50M for players if it wasn’t for Kelly’s buyout.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:32 am to Salviati
Nobody has recruited/ developed quarterbacks better than Kiffin the last four years.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:32 am to whitetiger1234
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You have a QB for 4 years at the most. Your coach is the the constant variable.
And how long did you have Orgeron and BK? LOL
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:38 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:This is helpful. Terrific analysis. Got any other insights Mr. Wizard?
Really teams that win at a high level have a lot of talent? What other brilliant insights do you have Mr Wizard, are you going to tell us teams that accumulates the most points in a given contest will defeat the opposition?
quote:I'm not treating it as an either or proposition. That's where you've been living with your arguments.
It’s simplistic because you treat it as an either or proposition.
I want good coaches. I just don't want to be paying record setting head coaching salaries, particularly when we are about to be paying the second highest termination payout.
I'd rather put the money where it does the best good.
quote:Now see, there you go again with your either or viewpoint.
Your view is simplistic because you are acting like the players just show up, or the school recruits itself. The coach matters, he builds the program, he will need talent and having an elite QB combined with a talented roster is how you get titles but you need a talented coach running it first.
You argue that I think players just show up. I'm not arguing that at all. I want talented. Again, I want good coaches. I just don't want to be paying record setting head coaching salaries.
LSU is about to pick a new head coach. Picking a head coach is not any easer that picking talent. The risk that a new head coach fails is just as high as with talent. The cost of failure can be a lot higher.
At this point in time, I want LSU to pick the best coach it can. If it can afford Kiffin and top talent, then terrific, get both. If LSU cannot afford Kiffin and top talent, I'd rather get Morris or Golesh and top talent.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:44 am to CalTiger53
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And how long did you have Orgeron and BK? LOL
LSU employed Orgeron for 7 years. He'd still be the coach if he had still cared enough to try.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:46 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:Terrific insight Mr. Wizard. Thanks for clarifying. We are all infinitely more enlightened now.
One other thing, you do realize these are separate right? I mean if LSU spend $8M/year vs$12M on a HC does not mean we would have an additional $4M for players
We would not have and extra $50M for players if it wasn’t for Kelly’s buyout.
You do realize that the supply of money for LSU football is not unlimited. There are not infinite donors, and those donors do not have infinitely deep pockets.
Certainly, there are sources of money that are just for coaching salaries, and there are sources of money that are just for NIL. But the dollars that separate LSU from the less competitive schools comes from the same place: donors, and that money has to cover both coaching and player compensation.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:46 am to Salviati
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Salviati
Certified retard
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:49 am to Salviati
Yeah because the top rated QBS going into this year are all killing it!!
I mean look at the results of Nuss, Klubnik and Lagway. Cmon man. Scheme and coaching make QBs in college.
Most people on Earth didn’t even know who Trinidad Chambliss was in August…probably not even most Ole Miss Fans.
I mean look at the results of Nuss, Klubnik and Lagway. Cmon man. Scheme and coaching make QBs in college.
Most people on Earth didn’t even know who Trinidad Chambliss was in August…probably not even most Ole Miss Fans.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:50 am to Salviati
LSU will not give a long term contract to any coach. Als will not get into a bidding war with any school and those who do will regret it. LSU should hire a coach who believes he can win championships at LSU and will be rewarded big time when he does.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:57 am to Salviati
This would be a problem if LSU had money problems. They don't. Moving forward they have high commitment to NIL roster money. It has already been stated. They're not going to pay a coach 17 million to come over here with a temu roster of 5 million.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:57 am to Salviati
LSU already proved this was false in 2023. We had no defense to go with a Heisman winning QB. 
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