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re: QBs are more important than HCs. LSU should focus on player $$$, not HC $$$.

Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:50 am to
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QBs are more important than HCs. LSU should focus on player $$$, not HC $$$.
Has anyone posted the "Why not both?" image?
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:51 am to
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Mentioning Miles actually works against your point. The man was 1 game away from the greatest season in CFB history and did it riding Jarrett Lee and Jordan freaking Jefferson.
And what one position was Miles lacking in that National Championship game?

What was the one position that kept Miles from further success with the exception of Flynn and Mettenberger?
Posted by LSUTigerFan1996
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2016
276 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:51 am to
Jayden Daniels -- One of the best QBs and offenses of the 2000s, but LSU couldn't win anything of importance because Brian Kelly & Co. were incompetent. Team was pretty loaded. You all will blame Matt House (rightfully so), but HCs hire their coordinators.

Tell me more about how players > coaching...
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39803 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:56 am to
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Coaches are the constant, but team success rises and falls on QB success. Ask Dabo Swinney or just about any other college football head coach. With NIL, teams can buy QB talent just as reliably as teams can buy HC talent.

Teams are currently cycling through HCs at $10 million per year. Teams can cycle through top QBs at less than half that rate.


This is stupid.

There are a couple dozen multimillionaire college QB's that aren't going to touch a national championship already, and no matter how much you pay a QB, they can quit and leave at any moment.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:59 am to
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We had a heisman winning QB, lost 3 games, and finished outside the top 12 soooo
And how did we do without him soooo?

More importantly, while we were paying our HC $10 million per year, we were lacking talent on defense, lost 3 games, and finished outside the top 12 soooo. We bought some talent for the defense this year, and the defense is much improved.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:00 am to
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I’d rather LSU go 0-12 every year than pay any player a dime. This NIL crap has ruined college sports.
Dear homo erectus,

Football has moved on from your prehistoric paradigm.

Evolve or die.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35943 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:01 am to
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More importantly, while we were paying our HC $10 million per year, we were lacking talent on defense, lost 3 games, and finished outside the top 12 soooo. We bought some talent for the defense this year, and the defense is much improved.


Watching you argue against yourself is comical
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:03 am to
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Has anyone posted the "Why not both?" image?
Amen brother. If LSU can afford both, then I'm 100% onboard.

But can LSU afford both?

Or more appropriately, can LSU afford championship quality talent and a record-breaking salary head coach? LSU has lost a lot of talent to higher bidders in the recent past.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39803 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:03 am to
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And how did we do without him soooo?


Jayden Daniels as QB and Mike Denbrock as OC led LSU to 9 wins in 2023. Daniels didn't play in the bowl game.

Garrett Nussmeier as QB and Joe Sloan as OC led LSU to 9 wins in 2024.

What point were you trying to make with that?
Posted by Goalpost
Member since Jan 2023
666 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:04 am to
I’d rather not watch if they do not do anything to control this. At least have a salary cap or something. I miss the days with players with Louisiana last names that wanted to play for LSU and not cry about NIL.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:05 am to
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Jayden Daniels -- One of the best QBs and offenses of the 2000s, but LSU couldn't win anything of importance because Brian Kelly & Co. were incompetent. Team was pretty loaded. You all will blame Matt House (rightfully so), but HCs hire their coordinators.

Tell me more about how players > coaching...
I'll blame lack of talent on the defense.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39803 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:06 am to
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LSU has lost a lot of talent to higher bidders in the recent past.


And we're going to lose a lot more talent to higher bidders in the future. We're going to win some too. Guess what? We're going to have to rebid on our best players every year.

You know who you don't have to rebid on every year? Coaches. There's actually financial consequences if a coach leaves. Paying players is usually just burning money.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60660 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:08 am to
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recent national champion quarterbacks also include those QBs who carried their coach: Burrow, Lawrence, Watson, Winston, Newton, Young


This is a simplistic viewpoint that’s a by product of the “win it all or you suck”
mentality that frankly has no understanding of how these world let alone football works. Including all these as if they are same shows any lack of critical thinking or understanding beyond looking a the final result and working back from that to form a narrative.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:12 am to
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And we're going to lose a lot more talent to higher bidders in the future. We're going to win some too. Guess what? We're going to have to rebid on our best players every year.
We will have to rebid our best players, and it would be particularly helpful if we had millions of extra dollars in the NIL pool.

It takes talent to win championships. It takes money to acquire that talent.

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You know who you don't have to rebid on every year? Coaches. There's actually financial consequences if a coach leaves. Paying players is usually just burning money.
We're about to pay a head coach $53+ million over the next few years. We just finished paying a head coach $16 million.

Please keep talking about not rebidding on coaches, financial consequences if a coach leaves, and burning money by paying players.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:23 am to
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This is a simplistic viewpoint that’s a by product of the “win it all or you suck” mentality that frankly has no understanding of how these world let alone football works. Including all these as if they are same shows any lack of critical thinking or understanding beyond looking a the final result and working back from that to form a narrative.
It is part of a simplistic response to the simplistic argument to which it responded.

A more nuanced response would note that teams with successful seasons are more often determined by the talent of the QB than the talent of the coach. College football is littered with coaches who toil in relative obscurity using the same scheme until they hit on a major talent at QB who lights up the scheme.

To be sure, there have been talented coaches who have succeeded with less talented QBs. But those coaches are few and far between. Saban certainly succeeded with less talented QBs. He is the exception rather than the rule, and he had so much talent stockpiled at every other position, he did not need exceptionally talented QBs in the beginning and middle of his career.

Moreover, there is no guarantee that any college football team can hold onto a coach who can overcome talent at the QB position. Certainly, LSU did not hold onto Saban. There is no guarantee that Kiffin, if he came to LSU, would not leave for the NFL.

Finally, although my OP tends to focus on the QB position, the title of my OP and the general thrust of my argument is that talent is more important than the head coach. In the NIL era, dollars have to be allocated. My position is that dollars should spent with emphasis on talent rather than head coaching.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 10:25 am
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39803 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:28 am to
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We're about to pay a head coach $53+ million over the next few years. We just finished paying a head coach $16 million.


And those hires were both lazy decisions that were made by AD's who no longer have jobs because of the lazy and bad decisions they've made.

We got lucky on one, and 2019 was worth every single penny we paid Orgeron.

Woodward will probably never work in major sports again because of his decisions with other peoples money.


You wanna talk about wasting money?

Arch Manning, $6.8m
Carson Beck, $4.3m
Garrett Nussmeier, $3.8m
LaNorris Sellers, $3.7m
DJ Lagway, $3.7m
Cade Klubnik, $3.4m
Drew Allar, $3.1m
Sam Leavitt, $3.1m
Bryce Underwood, $3m

I'm pretty sure none of those guys are even in the top 25 in statistical categories right now.


Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:36 am to
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Look at what Elko has done in just two years after Jimbo wasted tons of A&M QB talent.
Is it Elko or is it Reed? LSU was beating Wegman. The Aggies are 16th in total offense and time of possession.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35943 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:37 am to
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Is it Elko or is it Reed?


Is this a serious question?

Reed isn’t good

That was one of the worst quarterbacking performances of the season in the first half against South Carolina this weekend. Collin Klein schemes it for a quarterback with severe decision making limitations and the reason he’s getting buzz for head coaching jobs
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 10:38 am
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7021 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:42 am to
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Arch Manning, $6.8m
Carson Beck, $4.3m
Garrett Nussmeier, $3.8m
LaNorris Sellers, $3.7m
DJ Lagway, $3.7m
Cade Klubnik, $3.4m
Drew Allar, $3.1m
And those hires were lazy decisions that were made mostly by coaches who no longer have jobs because of the lazy and bad decisions they've made.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 10:43 am
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
24472 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:47 am to
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Ideally the HC is the play caller, yes


Well certainly, but that's probably a unicorn at this point. And if you find it, you're right back in the overpaying category
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