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Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:19 am
Posted by nevilletiger79
Monroe
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:19 am
what is so special about this guy? UCLA offense wasnt special, he did nothing with the titans and with all that usc talent that was there..an organ grinders monkey would have looked good
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481226 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:20 am to
norm chow is the most accomplished OC in CFB history

i put spurrier 2nd, but if you want to crown his arse, crown him. i'll put chow 2 and it's still a big deal

and his offenses were relevant in CFB as late as 2003-2004
Posted by athletemed
The Woodlands, Texas
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:20 am to
Chows.....
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:22 am to
He has sucked lately though.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
90311 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:23 am to
quote:

UCLA offense wasnt special


lack of talent at a second tier football school + HC interference = interest in the USC OC job
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481226 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:23 am to
well i don't think UCLA exactly had even mediocre OL or QBs in his 2 years there
Posted by Linkovich
crater lake
Member since Feb 2007
9553 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:23 am to
Honestly, I think he is very similar to Crowton where he is a philosopher of the game. If you sat down and interviewed the guy, he would probably come away as a offensive "wizard." Now, his application of that knowledge during the game is the question. I haven't seen him do it since USC.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46381 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:33 am to
quote:

well i don't think UCLA exactly had even mediocre OL or QBs in his 2 years there



have they been able to keep a QB healthy enough to even be mediocre?
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:35 am to
quote:

well i don't think UCLA exactly had even mediocre OL or QBs in his 2 years there





yeah, but he sucked in the league too.

but that's a different ball game.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481226 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:38 am to
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but that's a different ball game.

exactly

and he had vince young

vince can run a system, but it's not chow's system

they did play teh playoffs with chow changing his offense and vince as a rookie, however
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:38 am to
quote:

He has sucked lately though.
hadn't had near the talent he used to.


Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46381 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:39 am to
quote:

yeah, but he sucked in the league too.


you can lead VY to the playbook, but you can't force him to study it. or watch film.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:41 am to
quote:

well i don't think UCLA exactly had even mediocre OL or QBs in his 2 years there


Soooo............This excuses Chow, but not Crowton?
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:43 am to
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Soooo............This excuses Chow, but not Crowton?
to run the defense you need a smart MLB/ILB

Saints have Vilma
Bama has McClain
LSU has Shep

you need this in order to be effective.

with the QB you need a competent person willing to learn. early on Vince tried to get by with his athleticism only and he failed, went crazy and got depressed, they got his shite straight.
This post was edited on 1/13/10 at 9:44 am
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
83347 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:45 am to
i kind of agree, i think he's probably a good OC, but he is pretty overrated
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481226 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:51 am to
quote:

Soooo............This excuses Chow, but not Crowton?

JJ and our OL is a 5/10

UCLA's QB and OL is a 2/10

UCLA ranked ahead of LSU also
This post was edited on 1/13/10 at 9:52 am
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:52 am to
quote:

with the QB you need a competent person willing to learn.


Agreed. The last two years, our QB have not really been "clicking" with Crowton. I have no idea whether it is capacity to learn, willingness to learn or capacity to teach. Crowton's record suggests that a lack of capacity to teach is at least partially responsible. There are certainly other factors as well.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
39413 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:54 am to
No other OC has even close to Chow's overall resume, especially in terms of QB development. He was thrown into a terrible situation at UCLA where they had horrible injury issues on the o-line and at QB without having any depth
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481226 posts
Posted on 1/13/10 at 10:15 am to
i think people forget his stint at NC State b/w BYU and USC when he MADE phillip rivers
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