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Norm Chows
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:19 am
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:19 am
what is so special about this guy? UCLA offense wasnt special, he did nothing with the titans and with all that usc talent that was there..an organ grinders monkey would have looked good
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:20 am to nevilletiger79
norm chow is the most accomplished OC in CFB history
i put spurrier 2nd, but if you want to crown his arse, crown him. i'll put chow 2 and it's still a big deal
and his offenses were relevant in CFB as late as 2003-2004
i put spurrier 2nd, but if you want to crown his arse, crown him. i'll put chow 2 and it's still a big deal
and his offenses were relevant in CFB as late as 2003-2004
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
He has sucked lately though.
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:23 am to nevilletiger79
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UCLA offense wasnt special
lack of talent at a second tier football school + HC interference = interest in the USC OC job
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:23 am to OBUDan
well i don't think UCLA exactly had even mediocre OL or QBs in his 2 years there
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:23 am to nevilletiger79
Honestly, I think he is very similar to Crowton where he is a philosopher of the game. If you sat down and interviewed the guy, he would probably come away as a offensive "wizard." Now, his application of that knowledge during the game is the question. I haven't seen him do it since USC.
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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well i don't think UCLA exactly had even mediocre OL or QBs in his 2 years there
have they been able to keep a QB healthy enough to even be mediocre?
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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well i don't think UCLA exactly had even mediocre OL or QBs in his 2 years there
yeah, but he sucked in the league too.
but that's a different ball game.
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:38 am to OBUDan
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but that's a different ball game.
exactly
and he had vince young
vince can run a system, but it's not chow's system
they did play teh playoffs with chow changing his offense and vince as a rookie, however
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:38 am to OBUDan
quote:hadn't had near the talent he used to.
He has sucked lately though.
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:39 am to OBUDan
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yeah, but he sucked in the league too.
you can lead VY to the playbook, but you can't force him to study it. or watch film.
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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well i don't think UCLA exactly had even mediocre OL or QBs in his 2 years there
Soooo............This excuses Chow, but not Crowton?
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:43 am to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:to run the defense you need a smart MLB/ILB
Soooo............This excuses Chow, but not Crowton?
Saints have Vilma
Bama has McClain
LSU has Shep
you need this in order to be effective.
with the QB you need a competent person willing to learn. early on Vince tried to get by with his athleticism only and he failed, went crazy and got depressed, they got his shite straight.
This post was edited on 1/13/10 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:45 am to nevilletiger79
i kind of agree, i think he's probably a good OC, but he is pretty overrated
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:51 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Soooo............This excuses Chow, but not Crowton?
JJ and our OL is a 5/10
UCLA's QB and OL is a 2/10
UCLA ranked ahead of LSU also
This post was edited on 1/13/10 at 9:52 am
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:52 am to Acreboy
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with the QB you need a competent person willing to learn.
Agreed. The last two years, our QB have not really been "clicking" with Crowton. I have no idea whether it is capacity to learn, willingness to learn or capacity to teach. Crowton's record suggests that a lack of capacity to teach is at least partially responsible. There are certainly other factors as well.
Posted on 1/13/10 at 9:54 am to nevilletiger79
No other OC has even close to Chow's overall resume, especially in terms of QB development. He was thrown into a terrible situation at UCLA where they had horrible injury issues on the o-line and at QB without having any depth
Posted on 1/13/10 at 10:15 am to usc6158
i think people forget his stint at NC State b/w BYU and USC when he MADE phillip rivers
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