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re: Nielsen looking less likely per Jane Slater
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:06 pm to Willie Stroker
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:06 pm to Willie Stroker
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Is this not part of the process? Every candidate is under contract. Of course you reach out to the agent and make inquiries about language in the contract that might become problematic before you make an offer.
That is what Orgeron should have asked if there was anything in the contract that might hurt the Saints. Not by taking a coach but any future changed that might hurt them like Brady went through.
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Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:08 pm to Willie Stroker
Absolutely not. No one is giving the other side a copy of their contract during negotiations.
The agent says whether there are any contractual issues. You have to trust he is right. Any offers made are contingent on there being no issues.
The agent says whether there are any contractual issues. You have to trust he is right. Any offers made are contingent on there being no issues.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:19 pm to LSUBadger
Some of you really need to get perspective if you think this is just a clear cut promotion for him. It's not. He will get more money but it has baggage to work with over at LSU. Right now in the Saints organization he has a good DL even if Trey left it's one of the best 2 deep lines in the league. At LSU he has to recruit to maintain his line and he has to coach kids coming out of HS. it's not the same thing.
He's already on short lists for NFL positions like DC. If Saints are offering more money he might stick with them. It's not as simple as "LSU is a promotion". Maybe in someone's eyes who has blinders on. Not to mention Orgeron is already on the hot seat 1 year removed from a NC. Not a stable program to be in while Saints defense probably isn't going to get much worse next year after restructures. He has more stability in the Saints organization even if Brees is gone.
There's benefits to each job that the other can't offer. Depends on what he wants and if he feels like a move to DC at LSU for probably more money can help his career better. On paper it should be but LSU isn't a stable program right now.
He's already on short lists for NFL positions like DC. If Saints are offering more money he might stick with them. It's not as simple as "LSU is a promotion". Maybe in someone's eyes who has blinders on. Not to mention Orgeron is already on the hot seat 1 year removed from a NC. Not a stable program to be in while Saints defense probably isn't going to get much worse next year after restructures. He has more stability in the Saints organization even if Brees is gone.
There's benefits to each job that the other can't offer. Depends on what he wants and if he feels like a move to DC at LSU for probably more money can help his career better. On paper it should be but LSU isn't a stable program right now.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:23 pm to RussellSheppardsPie
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If the Saints just heard about Nielsen to LSU this morning then they truly are an incompetent organization if you can even call it that...I couldn’t be further from either program/organization and I’ve been knowing that O/LSU has wanted Nielsen for DC for at least 2 weeks now
Keep seeing people say this. There's obviously a major difference between internet rumors and formally being told someone is looking to leave. The Saints brass isn't following the LSU DC search on the internet during their playoff run.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:24 pm to TrueLefty
So you are a lawyer who has been involved in sports contracts?
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:27 pm to NOSA
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The Saints brass isn't following the LSU DC search on the internet during their playoff run.
You honestly think we’re more informed than an NFL front office on who is interested in what jobs?
Oh you sweet summer child
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:28 pm to texastigerr
Contracts are made to be broken.
This is a done deal. The three parties need to agree on a compromise. It’s happening either way.
This is a done deal. The three parties need to agree on a compromise. It’s happening either way.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:28 pm to Willie Stroker
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Is this not part of the process? Every candidate is under contract. Of course you reach out to the agent and make inquiries about language in the contract that might become problematic before you make an offer.
Obviously the agent didn’t think there was problematic language considering it’s being reported that the agent didn’t think there was problematic language.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:31 pm to deuce985
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Some of you really need to get perspective if you think this is just a clear cut promotion for him.
Most of this is bullshite. Moving from being an NFL position coach to a DC of a top tier SEC program is a promotion by any measure. Unless you are completely uninterested in coaching college football and want to work exclusively in the NFL, it’s a step up. And if he wasn’t interested in working with O, things wouldn’t have gone this far.
The Saints are set up to going into rebuild mode very soon, which will affect the entire franchise. Nielsen could get a DC job now or next year, but I’m sure the splash and huge contract that Brady got after a big season in college didn’t go unnoticed. It’s a big stage with lots of room to make a big impression because how bad the defense was this season. He could get that same NFL DC job with more money and a longer deal after a year or two here.
O isn’t on a hot seat right now and won’t be unless he has a terrible season in 21-22 and things aren’t trending that direction at the moment. This is just a ridiculous Rant narrative. It’s going to take more than just this season to put him on one.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:38 pm to misey94
Doesn't matter. You're comparing professional level to college. Some guys don't want to go back to the college level for many reasons. No matter how you look at it LSU is not a stable program right now so that's not in their favor. Saints as an organization are very stable and have proven they actually might win more WITHOUT Brees the past 2 years.
It's more riskier to make a move to LSU than it is to maintain his position at the Saints and eventually get a job elsewhere at the professional level. The play at LSU is he might get a bigger promotion faster if he can maintain a high level defense maybe even a HC job.
It should say a lot that if the Saints are offering him more money or attempting to block him. Tells me Orgeron is getting a coach the Saints don't want to lose and also don't want to coach against.
It's more riskier to make a move to LSU than it is to maintain his position at the Saints and eventually get a job elsewhere at the professional level. The play at LSU is he might get a bigger promotion faster if he can maintain a high level defense maybe even a HC job.
It should say a lot that if the Saints are offering him more money or attempting to block him. Tells me Orgeron is getting a coach the Saints don't want to lose and also don't want to coach against.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:46 pm to deuce985
Lotta salty LSU fans in here 
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:47 pm to deuce985
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Saints as an organization are very stable and have proven they actually might win more WITHOUT Brees the past 2 years.
This is so silly
Posted on 1/18/21 at 11:09 pm to deuce985
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Doesn't matter. You're comparing professional level to college. Some guys don't want to go back to the college level for many reasons. No matter how you look at it LSU is not a stable program right now so that's not in their favor. Saints as an organization are very stable and have proven they actually might win more WITHOUT Brees the past 2 years.
This is just you peddling your subjective opinions as objective facts, which they aren’t. The Saints have been stable for a while now, but they are heading into a rebuilding phase with a less than ideal cap situation in a small market during a pandemic that is severely restricting cash flow. I see a lot of potential for instability on that horizon.
You are projecting the worst of every issue that we saw at LSU this year, but we’ve already seen some of that blow over. Woodward didn’t keep O from making staff changes, so it’s pretty obvious they don’t currently believe Title IX will affect him. No one believes the NCAA repercussions are going to be much worse than they already are. The entire 2 deep didn’t bolt for the draft or portal as some of you predicted. Hell, we will probably have over 81 scholarship guys next year because of the seniors who won’t count and no one expected that a month ago. Things should have been a lot better this year than they were and O definitely squandered all of the goodwill he gained by winning a title by making some bad hires, but the situation is far from as bad as you are making it out to be.
As for pro vs college, who gives a frick about that point? Again, why would Nielsen even be talking to us if he wasn’t interested? It’s pretty clear that he is, so why even mention it?
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 11:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
They're 8-1 without Brees as a starter. With Taysom Hill and Teddy Bridgewater at QB. No, it's not silly. It shows their system stability. The Saints are a good team because of their front office which might get picked to pieces here soon. They've done an amazing job at finding good players. Obviously coaching too.
Saints cap situation will magically fix itself like it always does with Loomis. They'll restructure contracts of guys they know they're not getting rid of anytime soon. A few will get away but outside Brees, I think the Saints core team will be there. If they can find a way to make room on the cap and the resources to trade for Watson they have a franchise QB all over again. Watson might be interested in the Saints too and he's going to have a say where he goes even under contract obligations to Houston.
Most of their contracts end next year so they can easily make it work without much dead money. 1-2 year cap trouble right now basically. They smartly placed the contracts like they are for the window to close or restructure deals for those they feel deserve it.
Saints cap situation will magically fix itself like it always does with Loomis. They'll restructure contracts of guys they know they're not getting rid of anytime soon. A few will get away but outside Brees, I think the Saints core team will be there. If they can find a way to make room on the cap and the resources to trade for Watson they have a franchise QB all over again. Watson might be interested in the Saints too and he's going to have a say where he goes even under contract obligations to Houston.
Most of their contracts end next year so they can easily make it work without much dead money. 1-2 year cap trouble right now basically. They smartly placed the contracts like they are for the window to close or restructure deals for those they feel deserve it.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 11:47 pm to deuce985
What is Nielsen’s salary with the saints? 200-300k? We’re probably offering at least 1.2 million, potentially more as we don’t have many other candidates left at this point. The amount of money delta is incredibly substantial. I think your posts are understating that significantly
Posted on 1/18/21 at 11:48 pm to deuce985
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No, it's not silly
Yes it really is. your HoF QB leaving the team is always a major problem, I don’t care what happens in a half dozen or so spot starts spread out over a few years.
The Saints have huge cap problems and a massive hole at the game’s most important position. To brush all that off as no big deal is hilariously myopic.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:05 am to Draconian Sanctions
You people go off on these useless tangents that have zero to do with the topic at hand. You type a bunch of shite. Only thing anyone wants to know is if we will get out guy or not. No one gives two shits about each of your useless bullshite!
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 12:18 am
Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
Saints record without Brees starting says otherwise. In fact, you could argue the team played better without him which further proves he was a liability for the Saints the past 3 years due to him limiting the offense. That's why they got the regular season kings title because it was the same story every playoff game. Any kind of disruption on that OL and Brees would shite the bed. He just did not have the physical talent anymore to make throws especially off his back foot. He can barely throw back to the LOS off his back foot.
Payton can put a scrub WR at RB and still get him 100 yards rushing. He can put Hill at QB to start that wouldn't amount to anything but third-string for anyone else and still get huge games. He's a master at fitting his scheme to player strengths which is why they generally struggle when they leave his system.
They'll be fine. Most organizations are trying to model themselves after the Saints. Hell, LSU's success is predicated on the Saints. They keep plucking coaches from them.
Payton can put a scrub WR at RB and still get him 100 yards rushing. He can put Hill at QB to start that wouldn't amount to anything but third-string for anyone else and still get huge games. He's a master at fitting his scheme to player strengths which is why they generally struggle when they leave his system.
They'll be fine. Most organizations are trying to model themselves after the Saints. Hell, LSU's success is predicated on the Saints. They keep plucking coaches from them.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:26 am to deuce985
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Saints record without Brees starting says otherwise
And Elvis Grbac looked great filling in for Steve Young but flopped as a full time starter. Happens all the time.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
Well, you'd be pretty blind not to see Brees as a liability the past few years. You say it's a big loss but it hasn't been for awhile now for the Saints due to his limited offense. He was the checkdown master of 5 yard dink and dunks. Take that away from them and their offense was fricked. They couldn't even utilize Sanders a deep threat because Brees has to get a running start throwing the ball like a javelin 30 yards down the field.
They're already setup for success without Brees. They have a top defense and a productive offense without him. Now they just need to find a way to get out of cap hell from the cap magician Loomis.
They're already setup for success without Brees. They have a top defense and a productive offense without him. Now they just need to find a way to get out of cap hell from the cap magician Loomis.
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