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re: Looks Like Texas is positioning themselves to fire strong.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 8:48 am to Cooter Davenport
Posted on 10/3/16 at 8:48 am to Cooter Davenport
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That speaks to how horribly Strong has done developing players
really? explain how he developed players at usc, florida, and Louisville. How could he do it there and not texas? All of sudden he forgot how to coach and develop players? Don't believe that.
The Man was outstanding at three different places. I guess that was luck.
Fact is, He was never accepted at Texas, they were not happy with him in year one after a press conference, trying to fire him in year TWO and Trying to fire him again in year 3. Now, when your fan base and administration isn't supporting you, it's very hard to succeed. Texas owns as much for his non-success as he does.
If strong is given a fourth year, which it doesn't look like he will, I bet you see a dramatic turnaround. They have an outstanding qb, which they didn't have when he got there. A lot of young talent in their first or second year playing. He's been solid on the recruiting trail. It will show if he has another year.
He has bee to good everywhere he's been. It's not like this is his first rodeo.
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 8:49 am to dbuchanon
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:21 am to Adajax
Does no one know who Hermans OC is? Major Applewhite, is a BR Native who just got fired from Texas in 2013 because of an affair with a student. Because of that, there's an ongoing lawsuit with UT. Applewhite and Herman are close friends, like Les and Cam. Do you think UT will let Herman bring back Applewhite after just getting fired? I don't think Herman will go to a school without Major.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:57 am to dos crystal
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really? explain how he developed players at usc, florida, and Louisville. How could he do it there and not texas? All of sudden he forgot how to coach and develop players? Don't believe that.
He was only HC at ONE of those places. It's a completely different job and one he is clearly overwhelmed by.
He was at Louisville before they were in the ACC. He was there back when they completely outclassed everyone else in the dying Big East and joke American Athletic Conference in terms of facilities, support, money, and recruiting. And he lucked into Teddy Bridgewater. He was playing with a stacked deck.
Now that he is head coach in a conference where his program isn't a standard deviation richer and better equipped than everyone else (they're better off than anyone but OK, but they are not just on another level like LV was relative to the BE or AAC - even OSU has a rich patron who has purchased them better player facilities than UTx has) and where there is serious, hardcore pressure to succeed, he's showing his true colors. Charlie Strong is a living, breathing example of the Peter Principle.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 10:01 am
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:03 am to dbuchanon
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BUT you guys know good and well if your coach was a defensive guy and you allowed nearly 100 points in 2 games youd be up in arms with the pitchforks
Their D hasn't allowed less than 45 in any game this year correct?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:07 am to Cooter Davenport
I'd take him as a DC if Aranda doesn't stay.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:09 am to dos crystal
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He has bee to good everywhere he's been. It's not like this is his first rodeo.
Coordinator is different than Head Coach though. He had some success at Louisville as a HC, but you can't honestly say you would be happy with the results thus far if you were a Texas fan.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:20 am to jp4lsu
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LSU needs to try to wrap up Herman fast before UT comes into the picture.
If UT comes knocking, Herman will go to UT. Even though the recruiting and talent isn't up to the same level as LSU. I think Herman feels he can turn that around pretty quick and in a weak Big 12 he probably feels he could win the Big 12 in 1 or 2 years. Plus I think the recruiting makes a sharp tick upward as soon as he is announced the HC of UT.
UT may have already dropped a bug in TH's agent's ear and Herman try to make us wait to see what UT does.
I'm wondering if there is a change TH would stay at UH if they are voted into the Big 12.
LSU needs to throw "can't say no" money at him and convince him that they have the talent to win a NC now before UT gets in the mix.
My thoughts exactly. Throw $6-7M at him if he signs right now, and let him coach out the season at Houston.
IF thats truly who we want, we need to jump out in front of this.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:24 am to SportTiger1
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My thoughts exactly. Throw $6-7M at him if he signs right now, and let him coach out the season at Houston.
yeah, that would work
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:30 am to Cooter Davenport
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Now that he is head coach in a conference where his program isn't a standard deviation richer and better equipped than everyone else
Lmao, Louisville > Texas. Yeah, Louisville has much better resources to succeed than Texas.
Stay on point. You stated he has the inability to develop talent. So it only matters if your head coach? I guess he did not develop defensive ball players into NFL players? I guess all those professional athlete at Louisville that he was the head coach over doesn't count either? Either he can, which he has shown at three different schools, or he can't? Either Mack left a bunch of talent or he did not. As previously pointed out, by lack of players drafted, the evidence is he did not.
You can keep making excuses and changing the narrative, the evidence is supporting he took over a shite show and not giving time to change it.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:40 am to Cooter Davenport
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Maybe a great position coach. But the man is not head coach material.
He was 37-15 at Louisville, a program that had not won more than 6 games during the three seasons prior to his arrival.
The Cardinals went 23-3 in his final two seasons. Even Petrino couldn't produce a 10-win season in his first two back with the program.
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He seriously sounds retarded.
Honestly, you sound a bit retarded with your assertion.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:41 am to SportTiger1
Good luck w/ that -- Herman's not going to jump on anything. He's going to wait til the end of the season and weigh his options.
If Oklahoma beats Texas, Strong is out, and Texas will make him an offer he can't refuse.
If Oklahoma beats Texas, Strong is out, and Texas will make him an offer he can't refuse.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:46 am to dos crystal
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Lmao, Louisville > Texas. Yeah, Louisville has much better resources to succeed than Texas.
That's not what I said at all. You are being willfully ignorant at this point.
Louisville had more talent, facilities, money, support and recruiting ability relative to the dying Big Least and the American Athletic Conference (it wasn't in the ACC when Charlie was there) than Texas does relative to the Big XII. Louisville was a real deal college football program playing joke schedules when Charlie was there.
Stop for a moment and realize that you are white-knighting for the coaching prowess of a man who just tried to decline an ineligible receiver downfield penalty when the opposing offense got a first down from a completed pass and had to be talked out if by the referee.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:52 am to saint amant steve
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Even Petrino couldn't produce a 10-win season in his first two back with the program.
Petrino produced a 9 win season right away, in a much more difficult conference, with a new QB.
Charlie produced 7 wins his first two years, against the dying Big East.
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The Cardinals went 23-3 in his final two seasons.
Against the American Athletic Conference, with Louisville's resources, and Teddy Bridgewater. Dennis Franchione could have done that.
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Honestly, you sound a bit retarded with your assertion.
Honestly, you sound like you have never heard him speak. Youtube yourself an interview of Charlie Strong and come back here and assert that he sounds like he's even marginally intelligent. You can't, because he isn't.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:05 am to Cooter Davenport
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Petrino produced a 9 win season right away, in a much more difficult conference, with a new QB.
...with a talent-laden roster recruited by Strong.
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Charlie produced 7 wins his first two years, against the dying Big East.
...after taking over a team devoid of talent as a result of Kragthorpe's ineptitude.
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Against the American Athletic Conference, with Louisville's resources, and Teddy Bridgewater. Dennis Franchione could have done that.
The AAC is now Power 5 conference, but it's hardly the Sun Belt. There are some quality programs in that conference. It's not much of a step down from the Big East during its final few seasons of operation.
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Honestly, you sound like you have never heard him speak. Youtube yourself an interview of Charlie Strong and come back here and assert that he sounds like he's even marginally intelligent. You can't, because he isn't.
Although you did critique his manner of speech, your original remarks also called into question his coaching abilities.
Even though he might not be the man to lead Texas back to prominence, it's pretty apparent that he is anything but a lackluster coach.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:08 am to SportTiger1
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My thoughts exactly. Throw $6-7M at him if he signs right now, and let him coach out the season at Houston.
Take this fwiw, but Alleva was in Houston last week. I spoke with a personal friend of Alleva's and he said they played golf last week, in Houston. Never talked specifics about the coaching search (or he just didn't want to tell me), but he thought Alleva was in town to meet with Herman.
Found it strange that he was in Houston mid-week and I would find it stranger if he were meeting with Herman personally (not through Sexton), but he was in Houston, so there's that. I'm not an insider of any sort. Just by chance, a relative of a friend knows Alleva and shared this with me, that's all.
Of course, this was before Texas shite the bed this weekend.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:12 am to Wortivi22
Cant read too much into that.
If Houston were 8 states away, it'd be a little curious. But with a substatial alumni and support base in Houston, doubt any AD would be so obvious to rattle the cage and arrange a one on one with so much focus on our search.
If Houston were 8 states away, it'd be a little curious. But with a substatial alumni and support base in Houston, doubt any AD would be so obvious to rattle the cage and arrange a one on one with so much focus on our search.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:16 am to Uncle Stu
Yeah, I know . . . like I said, take it fwiw.
On the other hand, if that was the reason he was in town, at least he is trying and not waiting.
On the other hand, if that was the reason he was in town, at least he is trying and not waiting.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:20 am to Wortivi22
Alleva wouldn't be allowed to contact Herman, correct?
I remember Skip mentioned they met Petrino in a hotel or something, trying to keep things quiet because Petrino didn't want UL to find out.
I think they would only be allowed to contact the agent.
I remember Skip mentioned they met Petrino in a hotel or something, trying to keep things quiet because Petrino didn't want UL to find out.
I think they would only be allowed to contact the agent.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:25 am to jp4lsu
I really don't know, but I thought it was odd as well. Meeting with Herman was only speculation on my contact's part. He did not know why Alleva was in town.
Could have been something as simple as meeting with boosters. I just thought it was strange and wanted to share. Kinda makes me feel like DALSU
Could have been something as simple as meeting with boosters. I just thought it was strange and wanted to share. Kinda makes me feel like DALSU
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